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ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND[Special City Council Meeting on April 2, 2024.]
GENTLEMEN.HONORED GUESTS AND MAYORAL CANDIDATES, FOLKS WATCHING US, UH, ONLINE.
AND, UH, THOSE FOLKS FROM MEADOW, TEXAS THAT MAY BE WATCHING US.
THIS IS A SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING.
IT IS TUESDAY, APRIL 2ND, 2024.
IT IS 6:30 PM ON THE DOT ITEM MAY AS I'M CALLING, UH, WITH A QUORUM.
WE ARE MISSING ONE COUNCIL MEMBER KELLY MILLS, WHO'S SELLING PEANUTS.
UM, ITEM B IS, UH, TO CONJUN CONDUCT A JOINT PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE CITY OF MEADOWS PLACE COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONS FOR THE PURPOSE OF RECEIVING WRITTEN AND ORAL COMMENTS.
HAVE, UH, HAS PLANNING ZONING OPENED Y'ALL'S MEETING YET? YEP.
UM, MS. SMITH IS HERE, SO Y'ALL GOT SOME BRAIN POWER HERE.
READY? UM, I GUESS I SHOULD TURN THAT OFF, HUH? UM, ANYWAY, WE ARE HERE FOR, UH, THE PURPOSE OF RECEIVE WRITTEN AND ORAL COMMENTS FROM ANY INTERESTED PERSONS REGARDING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT APPLICATION FROM HAM MIHA, AND, PARDON ME IF I GOT THAT WRONG OR TOO WRONG, UNDER MEADOWS PLACE, CODE OF ORDINANCE CHAPTER 1 53 0.96 B TWO E TO ALLOW A SMOKING PARAPHERNALIA ESTABLISHMENT LOCATED AT 1 1 6 1 1 WEST AIRPORT BOULEVARD.
UH, COUNSEL HAS A BACKUP DATA IN THE FOLDER.
THIS IS NOT A TIMED DISCUSSION.
WE DO ASK YOU TO, UH, BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE, AND IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, UH, WE'RE GONNA OPEN THE MEETING RIGHT NOW.
GIVE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT.
IF YOU'RE A BUSINESS OWNER AND YOU WISH TO SPEAK, NOW'S THE TIME.
DO YOU ALL WISH TO SPEAK? OKAY.
BEST BUSINESS OWNER'S GONNA START.
HI, MY NAME'S TIMOTHY GOODING.
UM, I'M A BUSINESS OWNER HERE AT MEADOWS PLACE, AND I'M ALSO A RESIDENT.
I'M ACTUALLY A THIRD GENERATION RESIDENT OF MEADOWS PLACE.
UM, I KNOW LOTS OF SECOND GENERATION MEADOWS PLACE RESIDENTS WHO ARE NOW RAISING THEIR FAMILIES.
I GREW UP WITH THEM AND THEY'RE DOING THE SAME.
THE REASON I THINK PEOPLE DO THAT IS BECAUSE THEY'RE PROUD OF THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S AN AMAZING COMMUNITY, AND I THINK IT'S OUR JOB AS RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THIS A PLACE THAT WE'RE PROUD TO LIVE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A SMOKING PARAPHERNALIA SHOP THAT I PERSONALLY CAN BE PROUD TO LIVE HERE.
I DON'T THINK IT FITS IN THAT PRIDE OF MEADOWS PLACE.
I'M REALLY HAPPY THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE.
I WAS HOPING MORE PEOPLE WOULD GET UP AND TALK, BUT MAYBE THEY WILL, UM, BECAUSE THAT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET UP AND WE SPEAK OUR MINDS AND LET EVERYBODY KNOW HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THIS.
UM, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I SPOKE TO EVERYONE IN THE STRIP CENTER AND I GOT SIX OF THE EIGHT BUSINESS OWNERS TO SIGN A LETTER SAYING HOW THEY FELT ABOUT IT.
DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING A SMOKE PARAPHERNALIA SHOP AS A NEIGHBOR.
ONE OF THE POINTS ON THERE WAS THAT, UM, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I KNOW AS MUCH AS I LOVE MEADOW'S PLACE AND THE BUSINESS THAT YOU GUYS BRING ME, AND I SEE A LOT OF YOU THAT I'VE HAVE COME TO SEE ME, I HAVE TO REACH OUT BEYOND MEADOW'S PLACE, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING TO THIS NEW BUS, POTENTIAL NEW BUSINESS ARE PEOPLE THAT WE CAN BE PROUD OF, ARE PROUD OF HAVING ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CHURCH, DOWN THE STREET FROM OUR CHILDREN, OUR SCHOOL.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S THE KIND OF PERSON AS A BUSINESS OWNER, PARENT AND RESIDENT THAT I WANT.
UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT TYPE OF BUSINESS IS GOING TO GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY THE WAY THE REST OF THE BUSINESSES GIVE BACK TO THE COMMUNITY.
A LOT OF THE BUSINESSES, IF NOT ALL, DONATE TO PTO, DONATE TO THE SWIM TEAM, DONATE TO BASEBALL.
IS THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS GONNA DO THAT? AND ARE THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE SMALL CHILDREN ATTACHED TO IT
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GOING TO WANNA TAKE MONEY FROM THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS? AND YOU AS PARENTS AND RESIDENTS, DO YOU WANT THIS TO BE ADVERTISED AT YOUR CHILD'S FUNCTION? THAT'S NOT THE TYPE OF BUSINESS I WANT MY CHILDREN ATTACHED TO.I GUESS I JUST, ALL I WANNA SAY IS THAT I, I REALLY WANT US ALL TO BE PROUD OF WHERE WE LIVE.
THIS IS, WHEN THIS CAME UP, IT MADE ME FEEL REALLY EMOTIONAL AND UPSET THAT THIS COULD POTENTIALLY BE MY BUSINESS NEIGHBOR, BE MY BE MY NEIGHBOR TO MY, TO WHERE MY FAMILY LIVES.
SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I WANNA SAY.
I REALLY HOPE THAT EVERYBODY LOOKS AT THIS AND THINKS ABOUT THIS AND THINKS ABOUT WHAT MAKES YOU PROUD TO BE A RESIDENT OF MEADOWS PLACE.
WAIT, BEFORE YOU GO, IF YOU WOULD SUBMIT THAT LETTER TO, TO THE CITY SECRETARY, SIR? YEP.
Y'ALL NEED TO GET UP AND GET CLOSE TO THAT MIC.
UH, I AM LEAVING 1 1 9 2 3 BLOOMINGTON LANE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ONE APPLICATION OR THE TWO APPLICATIONS.
UH, I WANNA DISCUSS BOTH APPLICATIONS.
WELL, THE SMOKING PLA UH, BASICALLY I AGREE WHAT, WHAT SHE SAID.
I AM, UH, I AM A PROUD RESIDENT IN MEL'S PLACE.
MY KIDS CAME HERE, AND I REALLY DON'T FEEL THAT ACROSS THE STREET FROM A PRE-K SCHOOL, WE, WE WILL HAVE A, A SMOKING PLACE.
WE REALLY WANT FAMILY ORIENTED PLACES, PLACES THAT WE FEEL PROUD OF AND, AND I REALLY DON'T FEEL, BUT I THINK THAT HE WAS PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH, UH, BUT I ALSO THINK NOW I DO HAVE ANOTHER THING TO COMMENT IN THE, THE OTHER, WELL, LET US FINISH JUST THIS, IF YOU DON'T MIND.
I'LL GET CONFUSED AND FORGET WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UH, DOUG BARBER, UH, 1 2 0 0 7 AUSTIN DRIVE.
UM, I BELIEVE IT'S, IT WAS WELL SAID.
UH, SMOKE SHOP DOESN'T REALLY ALIGN WELL WITH MEADOWS PLACE.
THE, UM, THE ATMOSPHERE AND THE FAMILY FRIENDLY, UM, PERSONA, WHAT WE PERSONIFY AS FAMILY FRIENDLY.
UM, AND, UH, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GONNA ADD A LOT OF VALUE, SO WE CAN KEEP IT SHORT AND SIMPLE.
I LIVE AT 1 1 7 2 2 SCOTTSDALE DRIVE.
UM, I AM ALSO OPPOSED TO THE SMOKE SHOP.
UM, I HAVE LITTLE CHILDREN, UH, THAT OBVIOUSLY LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I'M ALSO A HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER.
AND THE FACT THAT LIKE ARROW ACADEMY WOULD BE ACROSS THE STREET, MEADOWS PLACE, PRESCHOOL, THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, I KNOW THAT OUR KIDS ARE GONNA MAKE CHOICES LIKE I'M A HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER.
THEY MAKE ALL SORTS OF CHOICES, BUT I DON'T WANNA MAKE IT EASY FOR MY SON
I WOULD RATHER HIM HAVE TO LIKE, AT LEAST WORK FOR IT.
LEE HAUSMAN 1 1 7 2 3 CEDAR FARM, UH, 27 YEAR RESIDENT.
UH, JUST TO READ SOMETHING OUT OF THE LAST MONTH'S NEWSLETTER, UH, MEADOWS PLACE IS NOW HOME TO THE VERY FIRST TIM HORTON'S IN FORT BEND COUNTY.
KEEP YOUR FINGERS CROSSED FOR MORE NEW BUSINESSES IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
YOUR CITY LEADERS IN EDC ARE WORKING HARD TO BRING IN SOME MORE FAMILY FRIENDLY BUSINESSES TO OUR FAIR CITY.
AND IT LOOKS PROMISING A GOOD MIX OF BUSINESSES.
UM, BAD THINGS GO ON AROUND THESE SHOPS.
UM, THERE'S PLENTY OF LITERATURE, THERE'S PLENTY ONLINE ABOUT IT.
A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE CITY, THE CITY OF MEADOWS PLACE, AGAIN, THIS IS FROM THEIR WEBSITE, IS PLEASE OU THE ESTABLISHMENT OF SEVERAL DRUG AND WEAPON FREE ZONES.
THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A WHATEVER LICENSE.
I GUESS WE HAVE ORDINANCES, UH, FOR HEAD SHOPS SPECIFICALLY AS THERE IS IN OTHER CITIES IN TEXAS.
LET, LET ME, WELL, WHAT I WAS GETTING AT IS, CLARIFY YOUR QUESTION FOR ME HERE.
ARE YOU, HERE'S WHAT WE'RE DOING.
WE'RE HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT NOW.
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TO TAKE INPUT.THEN I'LL PUT IT IN THE FORM OF A STATEMENT.
OTHER CITIES AROUND TEXAS HAVE ORDINANCES REGARDING HEAD SHOPS, SMOKE SHOPS.
AND DO YOU, DO YOU, JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE DO TOO.
BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE CITY AND LOCATIONS AND SCHOOLS AND PARKS, UH, THIS ENCOMPASSES A MAJORITY OF THE CITY TALKING ABOUT THE DRUG AND WEAPON FREE ZONE ON THE SAME WEBSITE, YOU DO THE NEXT CLICK AND IT GIVES YOU A MAP, WHICH IS EASY TO FIND.
UM, THIS BUSINESS IS WELL WITHIN THE ZONE THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE IN.
AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE GONNA BE DEALING DRUGS OVER THERE, BUT I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE NOT EITHER.
SO, UH, YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND SEE WHO SUPPLIES THESE TYPES OF BUSINESSES.
THE WHOLESALERS, VERY FIRST ONE COMES UP IS CALLED MARIJUANA PACKAGING.COM.
WHAT DO THEY SELL? WEED JARS, MYLAR BAGS, MARIJUANA LABELS, BONGS, WEED PIPES.
UH, I MEAN, IT JUST GOES ON AND ON.
THIS IS, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IT'S JUST A HORRIBLE IDEA.
HERE'S A NICE LITTLE PICTURE OF WHAT THEY SELL OVER THERE.
THINK THAT'S A TOBACCO FOR TOBACCO USE? NO, IT'S NOT.
UM, WHAT IS THE HEAD SHOP? AND THIS IS OFF OF THE MARIJUANA WHOLESALER SITE.
ESSENTIALLY, A HEAD SHOP IS A STORE THAT SELLS PRODUCTS RELATED TO CANNABIS CONSUMPTION.
NOW, YOU KNOW, SMOKING DOPE IS ILLEGAL.
THIS IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CHURCH.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY OTHER THAN THIS IS A REALLY, REALLY BAD IDEA.
NO OFFENSE TO THE OWNERS OF THE SHOP, BUT THEY CAN GO OPEN SOMEWHERE ELSE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.
THANK YOU, LEE, I APPRECIATE YOU STANDING UP.
I APPRECIATE ALL THE RESEARCH YOU DID.
I DO WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING.
THE REASON WE ARE HERE IS BECAUSE THIS BUSINESS HAS TO APPLY FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT BECAUSE WE HAVE ZONED IT THAT WAY.
AND THEY CAN'T JUST OPEN UP WITHOUT COMING AND HAVING THIS HEARING AND HEARING YOU AND OTHERS AND THEN HAVE STANDING BEFORE THE P AND Z, GETTING THEM TO REZONE IT AND THEN COMING BEFORE COUNCIL AND HAVING US VOTE ON IT.
IT'S AGAINST THE LAW FOR US TO OUTLAW A LEGAL BUSINESS.
HOWEVER, WE CAN GET INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC JUST LIKE WE DID.
AND WE'RE REQUIRED BY NOW BECAUSE OF OUR ORDINANCE THAT WE PUT IN SOME 10 OR 12 YEARS AGO.
SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT THIS IS NOT AN ACCIDENT THAT'S HAPPENING, THAT THAT'S HERE FOR A REASON.
UM, SO ANYONE ELSE? MY NAME IS, UH, MIKE BESSNER, 1 1 8 4 2 MULHOLLANDS SINCE 1975.
I STAND OPPOSED TO THE, UH, OPENING OF A BUSINESS OF A PARAPHERNALIA BUSINESS.
FOR ONE THING, WE'VE ALREADY GOT FOUR PARAPHERNALIA BUSINESSES AROUND THE CITY.
WE HAVE ONE AT DAIRY ASHFORD AND WEST BELFORT.
WE HAVE ONE AT HIGHWAY 59 AND WEST BELFORT.
WE HAVE ONE AT WIL CREST AND WILS BELFORT.
AND WE HAVE ONE ON 10 92 THAT'S FOUR WITHIN A MILE OF OUR CITY.
I DON'T SEE WHERE WE NEED ANOTHER ONE.
AND WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER ONE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE CHURCH.
WE DON'T NEED ONE THAT IS IN WALKING DISTANCE OF THE SCHOOL.
SOME OF MY GRANDCHILDREN WERE RAISED HERE.
MAYBE MY GREAT-GRANDCHILD WILL COME HERE.
HE'S ONLY ONE, BUT HE'S GOT A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
BUT ANYWAY, I DON'T, UH, I I STAND OPPOSED TO IT.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T NEED AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE SHOULD ALL VOTE DOWN.
NOW HAVE THEY APPLIED FOR THIS PERMIT?
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YES, THEY HAVE APPLIED FOR THE PERMIT.BUT WE HAVE NOT VOTED ON WHETHER TO ACCEPT IT OR NOT.
IS THAT RIGHT? AND THAT WILL BE WHEN? WHEN DO YOU TODAY.
S ROMANO, UH, BLOOMINGTON LANE.
UM, AS MENTIONED A LITTLE BIT FOR ONE PERSON BEFORE, MY MAIN CONCERN IS TO KEEP THE ORDINANCE AS IT IS, NOT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES.
AND MY MAIN CONCERN IS BASED ON HEALTH.
WE HAVE BEEN FOR THIS SEVERAL DECADES NOW AS A COUNTRY TO MOVE AWAY FROM TOBACCO AND ALL THE CONSEQUENCES.
I'M A BIOCHEMIST AND A PHARMACIST.
I OBSERVE THE DAMAGE OF NICOTINE.
I KNOW BY STRENGTH READING ON THE LAST DAY AND THE LAST FEW, I WOULD SAY SEVEN YEARS REGARDING VAPING, IT REALLY DAMAGED AND DESTROYED THE LAND OF THE YOUNG BECAUSE THEY TEND TO INHALE MORE THAN THEY SHOULD.
ESPECIALLY WITH THAT KIND OF THE NEW VAPING LITTLE APPARATUS, WHICH EVENTUALLY IS CREATING ANOTHER, A VERY HEALTHCARE PROBLEM BECAUSE, UH, MANY COMMUNITIES, AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'S TEENAGERS, IS BECAUSE THE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE AS HAPPENED WITH ME WHEN I WAS 15, UH, WE GET EXPOSED TO THE IDEA OF SMOKING, AND THEN WE TEND TO DO IT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BE SOCIALLY PART OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND IT TAKES SOMETIMES THAT FOR ME WAS UNTIL 2000 WHEN I STOPPED SMOKING.
AND IT WAS BASICALLY BECAUSE I MOVED TO THIS COUNTRY WHERE THE COMMUNITY WAS MOVING AWAY COMPLETELY FROM SMOKING.
I ALSO WORK AS A TEACHER, SO I DIDN'T WANT MY STUDENTS EXPOSED TO THAT.
UH, WE PRESENTED A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THE DAMAGE IN THE BODY FOR ALL THE SMOKING RELATED THINGS.
AND, UH, DOESN'T MATTER WHAT IT IS, IT WILL PRODUCE A DAMAGE AND IT WILL PRODUCE A PROBLEM.
UM, BUT MY MAIN, AND ALSO THE OTHER CONCERN IS ECOLOGICAL PROBLEM BECAUSE IT WILL BE CLOSE TO SCHOOLS, PEOPLE WILL SEE IT, AND YOUNG PEOPLE WILL BE TEND TO BE, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEM THAT TOBACCO COMPANIES HAS IN THE PAST BECAUSE THEY WERE ADVERTISING TRYING TO ADDICT PEOPLE FROM THE BEGINNING.
SO FROM A HEALTHCARE POINT OF VIEW, I HOPE THAT WE DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING AND WE DON'T PASS THIS RESOLUTION BECAUSE IT WILL NOT BE ON THE GOOD.
NOT ONLY FROM OUR CITY, FOR OUR KID, BUT FOR THE KID, THE SURROUNDING AREAS.
UH, WE NEED TO ALSO, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WILL CONSIDER SPECIFICALLY IF I NEED TO BE IN YOUR PLACE TO SAY NO.
BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO HARM OTHER PEOPLE, WHICH I KNOW IS NOT THE INTENTION OF THE OWNER.
THEY WANTED TO DO BUSINESS, THEY WANT JUST THE MONEY.
BUT I THINK, UH, NO MONEY REALLY COME GET ME TO THINK THAT IT WILL BE OKAY TO ACCEPT DAMAGING FUTURE GENERATIONS.
I SAID I'VE GOT YOU MARKED DOWN AS A NO, THANK YOU.
WOULD THERE BE ANY, ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO TALK ON THIS PART OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING? OH, YOU'RE JUST OUT SHOWING OFF THAT UNIFORM TODAY, HUH? UH, HI, MY NAME IS EVAN ST.
UH, 1 2 2 2 2 MEADOWDALE DRIVE.
UM, OKAY, SO I'M, I'M GETTING KIND OF USED TO THIS, THE LAW THINGS.
I'M CERTAINLY NOT AS EDUCATED AS MY WIFE IS, BUT I'M GETTING THE IDEA THAT THE WAY THIS WORKS IS JUST BECAUSE THIS IS UP DOESN'T MEAN THE YOU ARE FOR OR AGAINST IT.
IT'S JUST KIND OF HOW WE HAVE TO DO IT.
AND YOU'RE JUST HEARING THINGS.
THIS IS PART OF THE PROCESS, JUST MAKING SURE SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU GUYS.
SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I WAS THINKING OF ALL THE DIFFERENT WAYS I COULD APPROACH THIS, BOTH AS A MEMBER OF SUGAR GROVE CHURCH OF CHRIST FOR OVER 12, 15 YEARS.
UH, I'M ON THE BOARD OF THE MEADOWS PLACE PRESCHOOL.
I COULD GO FROM THAT DIRECTION.
UH, AND THEN I WENT TO, I'M AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PE TEACHER SLASH HEALTH TEACHER.
AND SO I DECIDED TO COME FROM IT AT THAT, UH, DIRECTION.
AND, UM, ONE OF OUR BIG THINGS IS WE JUST DID THE KIDS' HEART CHALLENGE.
WHAT USED TO BE JUMP ROPE FOR HEART.
THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND THE NO VAPING IS A BIG PART OF IT.
YOU KNOW, HEART HEALTH AND ALL THE THINGS THAT, UM, COME WITH THAT.
AND SO IF I STAND UP AND SPEND THREE WEEKS TALKING TO THE KIDS ABOUT JUMP ROPE AND EXERCISE AND EAT HEALTHY AND BE SURE NOT TO VAPE, THEN I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS IN GOOD CONSCIOUS.
ALSO, I WAS AT THE GAME LAST NIGHT.
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ANYONE ELSE? I AM DR.1 1 7 0 3 KENZIE COURT, MEADOWS PLACE, TEXAS.
MY FAMILY MOVED HERE BEFORE MEADOWS INCORPORATED.
MY CHILDREN WENT TO MEADOWS ELEMENTARY, THEN TO DULLES HIGH.
THEN ON DAY AND M MY WIFE AND I GRADUATED FROM U OF HI GOT MY MASTER'S FROM UH CLEAR LAKE.
ALL THAT MEANS THAT I'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME STUDYING AND DOING HOMEWORK.
MY PERSONAL FEELING IS A CANDIDATE FOR MAYOR.
I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT, PUTTING THIS KIND OF SHOP ACROSS THE STREET FROM A CHURCH AND A SCHOOL IS A VERY BAD IDEA.
I THINK WE SHOULD STICK WITH THE CURRENT ZONING THAT WE HAVE AND DENY THE EXCEPTION.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF NO ONE ELSE HAS ANYTHING TO SAY ON THIS SUBJECT, THEN WE'RE GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
LET'S CONSIDER IT CLOSED AT WHATEVER TIME YOU GOT.
NOW YOU GET TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING MOVING INTO A DIFFERENT PUBLIC HEARING.
THIS IS BEFORE THE CITY MIDDLES PLACE, CITY COUNCIL, AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR THE PURPOSE OF RECEIVING WRITTEN AND ORAL MAR ARGUMENTS FROM ANY INTERESTED PURPOSE, UH, PERSONS REGARDING ANOTHER SPECIFIC USE PERMIT APPLICATION FROM OLI KAHN.
AND, UM, MR. KAHN HAS, UH, APPLIED FOR A SPECIAL USE, UM, PERMIT UNDER CODE OF ORDINANCE CHAPTER 1 53, SECTION 1 53 0.95, UM, B2C TRANSPORTATION AUTOMOBILE, UH, TO ALLOW FOR AUTOMOTIVE AND RV STORAGE PARKING LOCATED ON DORRANCE LANE ON THAT SIDE OF DORRANCE.
SO, MR. ALI, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS? NOT AT THIS TIME.
DO WE HAVE ANYBODY FROM THE AUDIENCE COUNCIL OR PNZ THAT WANTS TO SAY ANYTHING? COME BACK ON UP.
MIKE, YOU STILL HAVE TO SAY YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS INTO THAT LITTLE SPEAKER THINGY.
ONE 1-842-MULHOLLAND SINCE 1975.
I GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THIS.
PARKING, WHERE EXACTLY IS THIS LOT SUPPOSEDLY BE ON TOWARDS LANE.
IT'S ALREADY FULL
ALRIGHT, LET ME GET MY BEARING SOME AIR FOR THE, FOR THE DOG.
WHAT? THIS IS THE DOG PARK RIGHT HERE? YEAH.
THAT'S IN BETWEEN THE DOG PARK AND THE TOOL PLACE.
OH, NOW, UM, IS THIS GONNA REQUIRE ANY UTILITIES CONNECTIONS HERE FOR OUR WATER OR SEWER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? ACCORDING TO MR. ALI, IT'S, NO.
THERE'S ALREADY POWER OUT THERE.
AND THERE'S, UH, UTILITIES ARE OUT THERE.
SO, BUT IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY CONNECTIONS TO OUR THERE OR ANY WATER CONNECTIONS? THERE'S ALREADY WATER OUT THERE.
I WAS JUST WONDERING WHAT KIND OF IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE GREAT QUESTION.
HOW ABOUT THE DRAINAGE? IS THAT, WAS THAT, UH,
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CONSIDERED AT ALL DURING THIS TIME? THE DRAINAGE HAS ALREADY SET FORTH THE BOUNDARY TO THE, WHATEVER THAT WOULD BE EAST OF THE RED LINE GOING NORTH AND SOUTH.THAT'S IN PLACE RIGHT NOW AND HAS BEEN FOR YEARS.
THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I GOT IS, UM, WHAT KEEPS, OR WHAT KIND OF RULES WILL THIS PARK HAVE TO KEEP FROM HAVING MECHANICAL, UH, WORK DOING ON THE RVS DURING, WHILE THEY'RE PARKED THERE? NOT ALLOWED.
AND WHAT, WHAT DO YOU DO IF THERE IS, THIS IS THE SIMPLE, LIKE JUMPING A BATTERY? YEAH.
UM, NO REPAIRS WILL BE ALLOWED ON SITE, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEBODY RUNS OUT A BATTERY, WE NEED TO RECHARGE IT, SOMETHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED.
IT'S BASICALLY JUST PARK AND GO, I SEE A LOT OF THESE RV PARKS AND WHAT HAVE YOU AND YOU DRIVE INSIDE OF 'EM AND THEY GOT CARS WITH FLATS.
YOU GOT WINDSHIELDS KNOCKED OUT.
UH, SURE THERE'LL BE RULES AND REGULATIONS TO PREVENT THAT.
IT'S NOT A DUMP HOUSE, IT'S NOT WHERE YOU'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, GET RID OF YOUR VEHICLE AND PARK IT.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE, IT'S THE SAME BASIC VIEWS THAT WE HAD AT, AT THE SAME SPOT.
I MEAN, THEIR VEHICLES WERE NEVER, YOU KNOW, WORKED ON OR IN THE PARKING LOT.
AND YOU'RE GONNA, ARE YOU GONNA HAVE SECURITY THERE AS WELL? PROBABLY NOT.
CAMERAS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, YES.
IS THIS GONNA BE ANY BURDEN ON OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT OR ANYTHING TO PROVIDE THIS EXTRA SECURITY OR NOT? CHIEF, YOU WANNA TACKLE THAT? MY RESPONSE IS HOPEFULLY MINIMAL.
HOWEVER, UH, THE IMPACT SHOULD BE ABOUT THE SAME.
HOWEVER, UH, SOMETIMES THESE TYPES OF BUSINESSES, AND YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, DO ATTRACT THEFT.
I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT, UH, THEY ONLY HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS THERE AND THEN THEY'RE UNMANNED.
YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA ALLOW MOBILE HOMES IN THERE.
ARE YOU, I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN SIR.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW MOBILE HOMES TO PARK THERE? NO, NO MOBILE HOMES, RVS, BUT NO MOBILE HO HOMES.
IF MR. ALI CAN STAY THERE, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
SO WHAT, HOW ARE YOU GONNA CONTROL THE GATES? WE ARE GOING TO BUILD A FENCE.
UH, THERE'S AN EXISTING FENCE THERE, BUT ALONG THE FRONT ON DORRANCE, WE'RE GONNA ADD ANOTHER ENTRANCE AND BASICALLY THAT'S GONNA BE HOW THE CONTROL WILL BE.
ARE THEY GONNA HAVE KEY CODES OR HOW ARE THEY GONNA GET, IT'S GONNA BE KEY CODE.
AND IS THE PERIMETER ENTIRELY FENCED AT THAT POINT THEN? UH, MOST LIKELY, YES.
WOULD YOU CONSIDER THE FRONT FENCE BEING SOLID WHERE IT MIGHT, UM, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT TO SEE THROUGH? OR WOULD THAT BE A SECURITY CONCERN FOR THE POLICE? I THINK IT WOULD BE A SECURITY CONCERN.
UH, YOU'RE, I MEAN, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE IS WONDERFUL.
UH, I GET PHONE CALLS ALL THE TIME.
ANYTHING THAT'S SUSPICIOUS I PREFER THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO SEE IN CHIEF.
UM, I THINK THAT WAS MY QUESTIONS.
LEE HAUSMAN 1 1 7 2 3 CEDAR FORM.
UM, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
ARE YOU, IS, ARE THERE GONNA BE BOATS? ARE YOU ALLOWING BOATS? NO, NO BOATS.
IS IT, IS THERE GONNA BE ANY, UH, BUILDINGS, ANY, IS IT ALL OPEN OR IS THERE GONNA BE SOME COVERED SPACE? IT'S ALL OPEN.
AND YOU GUYS WERE JUST COVERING THIS ABOUT THE FRONT, MAYBE A SCREEN OR SOMETHING, UH, AS OPPOSED TO A SOLID WALL, WHICH WOULD, YOU KNOW, POLICE CAN SEE THROUGH.
BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF BLOCK AND VIEW.
UH, WHAT ABOUT, UH, HOW MUCH TAX REVENUE DO YOU THINK IS GONNA BE GENERATED OFF OF THIS? I HAVEN'T
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YET, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE SUBSTANTIAL.I MEAN, THIS IS NOT GONNA BE A MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
IT SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LESS, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW.
AND HOW MANY SPACES ARE THERE FOR? I BELIEVE I COUNTED 300 LAST TIME.
BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA REACH 300 AT ANY POINT.
CELIA ROMANO, UH, 1 1 9 2 3 BLOOMINGTON LANE.
UM, WELL, I I'M GOING TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY AND THE REASON WHY I AM OPPOSING TO THIS.
UM, BACK ON THOSE DAYS WE HAVE, WELL WE HAVE WALMART, UH, SAMS AND THAT THEN WE HAVE AUTO DIRECT WHEN AUTO DIRECT MOVE, WE HAVE A MEETING LIKE THAT.
AND THEY PROMISE THIS BEAUTIFUL BUILDING THAT WAS NOT GOING TO BE LOOKING LIKE CARS, WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE A UNIVERSITY AND IT WAS GOING TO BE BEAUTIFUL.
AND WE ARE, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE DOG PARK THAT WAS GOING TO BE GOING TO BE SUPER WELL KEPT.
UM, AND NOW WE, WE KNOW WHAT IS NOW, THEN THEY MOVE IT, THEY, THEY SOLD IT TO BRO OR THEY RENTED TO ROME.
AND WE HAVE, UH, WE USED TO HAVE A BEAUTIFUL RESTAURANT THAT LEFT BECAUSE BASICALLY IT'S A HORRIBLE STREET THERE.
SO, UM, THIS IS MY CONCERN AS A CITY.
WE ARE, I FEEL THAT WE ARE A BEAUTIFUL CITY, BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORS AND, BUT WE ARE LIKE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS FROM CARGO TO THE SIDE OF THE SCHOOL.
WE HAVE THE DISCOVERY HOUSE, WE HAVE THE POOL, WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL SCHOOL.
AND WITH WE IMPROVEMENTS IN OUR SIDE, I FEEL THAT WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THE DOKEY PARK.
WELL, AND WE STILL, IT'S LIKE NOW NOT ONLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PAR UH, CARS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE RV CARS AND WE ARE OPEN TO, I DUNNO, TO MORE, UH, UNPLEASANT ENVIRONMENT IN OUR SITES.
I KNOW THAT THERE ARE LOTS OF PLACES THAT OUR RV PLACE IS PERFECT.
I REALLY DON'T FEEL THAT MAYOR'S PLACE IS THAT WE HAVE HOUSES RIGHT ACROSS THAT.
AND I FEEL THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO MOVE TO HAVE A NICE PLACE IN THAT AREA.
AND DEFINITELY IF WE START GETTING OPEN TO RV PARKS AND MORE PARKING, MORE PARKING GARAGE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT.
I'M REALLY PROUD OF THE CITY AND ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE DOING, BUT I REALLY DON'T FEEL THAT RV PARKING WILL DO GOOD FOR THE CITY.
AND I, LIKE YOU WERE MENTIONING, NOT, I'M NOT SURE THAT THE, THE MONEY THAT THE CITY WILL GET IS, IS GOING TO PAY THE, THE DAMAGE OF THE NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL.
I DON'T WANNA LOSE THE, THE RESTAURANT, THE NEW RESTAURANT THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE.
I WANNA SEE IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING NICE IN THAT PLACE.
IT'S NOTHING PERSONAL, IT'S JUST LIKE, I WANT MY AREA TO BE NICE TOO, LIKE THE OTHER AREA OF THE MEADOWS.
MAY I RESPOND OR THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
MAY I RESPOND OR NO? UM, THE GOAL DEFINITELY IS TO KEEP IT NICE AND TIDY AND, AND IN ALL ORDER.
UM, THIS LAND, YOU KNOW, BELONGED TO MY FATHER FOR 15 YEARS.
UM, YOU KNOW, VROOM WAS OUR TENANT.
UM, OF COURSE I WOULD LOVE TO DO A BEAUTIFUL RESTORATION, YOU KNOW, MAKE THIS PLACE AS BEAUTIFUL AS POSSIBLE.
BUT MONEY AND, AND FINANCING ARE BIG FACTORS IN A PROPERTY THIS LARGE.
UM, SO OUR GOAL IS WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP THIS AT SOME POINT IN TIME, BUT IN THE INTERIM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS THAT RV PARK IN, UH, AUTO PARK.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT HAS A BIG IMPACT, NEGATIVE, UH, ANY WORSE THAN WHAT VROOM WAS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I FEEL ABOUT IT.
UM, CAN I RE ASK A QUESTION OR CLARIFICATION THERE? YEAH.
THIS, THIS IS TO, AND I DON'T WANT TO USE THE WORD TEMPORARY, BUT THIS IS NOT A PERMANENT BEST USE FOR THE PROPERTY THAT YOU HAVE.
'CAUSE IT OBVIOUSLY IS GONNA IMPEDE ALL THE REST OF THE ACREAGE THAT YOU OWN.
AND SO IS THIS A, UM, DO YOU HAVE TERM ON THIS OR IS THIS A ROUGHLY TWO YEARS IS WHAT I'M LOOKING AT.
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CASEY TOY 1 1 7 2 2 SCOTTSDALE DRIVE.UH, IS THIS LONG-TERM PARKING? NO, I MEAN, OR IS IT LIKE I'M VISITING AND I CAN NO, IT'S, IT'S LONG-TERM, MEANING 30 DAYS, SIX MONTHS, ONE YEAR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S NOT TEMPORARY, LIKE TO GO TO THE AIRPORT OR SOMETHING.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE, SO LIKE WE HAVE SOME FRIENDS WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD YEAH.
AND THEY ARE FROM OUTTA STATE AND HIS DAD HAS AN RV AND HE DRIVES IN FROM MICHIGAN AND STAYS FOR USUALLY LIKE TWO WEEKS TO LIKE TWO MONTHS, DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF YEAR.
IS THAT A PLACE THAT HE COULD LIKE PARK? THAT IS CORRECT.
SO IT WOULD SERVE AS AN OVERFLOW FOR THE COMMUNITY.
PEOPLE THAT DO HAVE RVS COULD PARK THERE OR HAVE EXTRA CARS THAT COULD PARK THERE.
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU LIVE IN, YOU KNOW, MY PART OF TOWN, BUT THE RESTRICTIONS THERE ARE, YOU CAN'T LEAVE A CAR PARKED LONGER THAN 25 DAYS OR YOU GET A CITATION.
SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT COM, YOU KNOW, HELPS MOVE YOUR CAR TO THAT PLACE TO AVOID THOSE FINES.
I DON'T KNOW IF CITY OF MEADOWS HAS THE SAME ORDINANCES OR CODES THAT PREVENT, YOU KNOW, CAR STORAGE IN, IN YOUR DRIVEWAY, BUT YOU KNOW, BACK IN MEMORIAL THEY'RE DIFFERENT.
IT'S LONG-TERM STORAGE, BASICALLY.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE A I'M VISITING YEAH.
LIKE I'M DRIVING WITH MY RV YEAH.
AND I'M JUST GONNA BE HERE FOR HOURS A WEEKEND.
BUT NO TRACTOR TRAILERS, RIGHT? NO TRUCK PARKING DEFINITELY.
NO AREA IS TOO SMALL FOR THAT.
UH, KURT KAZINSKI 1 1 9 3 0 MEADOW TRAIL LANE.
UM, FROM A A REAL ESTATE STANDPOINT, IT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID, IT'S NOT THE, THE HIGHEST AND BEST USED FOR THAT PROPERTY.
UH, I'M GLAD THAT WAS ACKNOWLEDGED.
UM, IT, IT IS NOT GONNA DO WELL FOR PROPERTY VALUES.
WHEN PEOPLE ARE DRIVING IN FROM DORRANCE AND THEY SEE A BUNCH OF RVS STACKED UP, THAT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD.
UM, ALREADY I TRY TO PUT DIRECTIONS TO PEOPLE, HEY, GO INTO MEADOWS, PLACE THIS DIRECTION, THIS WAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, COME FROM KIRKWOOD AND AIRPORT DON'T COME FROM BELFORT.
UH, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO ADD ANOTHER CAVEAT OF DON'T GO DOWN DORRANCE BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST GONNA SEE A BUNCH OF RVS PARKED THERE.
UH, I GET THAT IT'S KIND OF A TEMPORARY THING TO HELP WITH FUNDING, BUT, UM, I I, NOW THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IT, I THINK I'D BE MORE AGAINST IT THAN NOT.
WELL, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE THE RV SITTING IN SOMEBODY'S DRIVEWAY FOR 30 DAYS, 60 DAYS? THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS THIS IS THE PURPOSE OF IT IS TO CONTROL THAT OVERFLOW.
LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE I'VE HAVE AN RV, BUT IT WOULD BE CONVENIENT TO HAVE THAT RIGHT NEXT TO YOU.
DO YOU FOLLOW WHAT I'M SAYING? OR YOU HAVE THAT WHOLE I AGREE IT WOULD BE CONVENIENT TO THEM, BUT I I DON'T THINK IT'S A, I MEAN, WE COULD DRESS IT UP WITH SOME TREES AND STUFF LIKE THAT IF WE REALLY NEEDED TO, BUT, AND IF IT'S TWO YEARS, THAT DOESN'T YEAH, I, I JUST MAKES ME NERVOUS.
IT'S GONNA BE THERE FOR 10 YEARS AND, AND PART OF IT, IF YOU'VE GOT AN RV PARK, I DON'T WANNA CALL IT A PARK, A STORAGE LOT, SORRY.
UM, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE PROBABLY MORE CARS THAN RVS IS WHAT THE GOAL SHOULD BE.
AND THE RVS WOULD BE PA PARKED IN THE BACK KIND OF HIDDEN.
WE'LL, WE'LL DEDICATE THEM IN THE BACK.
I, I'D HATE FOR SOMEONE TO COME IN AND WANT TO TAKE CARE, YOU KNOW, TAKE OVER THE ENTIRE AREA, BUT, MM-HMM,
SO THOSE ARE SOME OF MY CONCERNS.
I HAVE, UH, SOMETHING, SO TIA BAKER 1, 1 5, 1 0 SCOTTSDALE.
UM, SO YOU, SO AS SOMEBODY WHO DOES HAVE AN RV, UM, WHEN WE HAVE STORAGE, I THINK IT'S LONG TERM.
I, I DON'T PUT IT 60, YOU KNOW, 90 DAYS THAT THESE ARE LONG TERM.
THE OTHER THING IS I WANT SOMETHING THAT IS USUALLY COVERED, AND YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WEREN'T LOOKING TO, TO REALLY DO ANY COVERED.
UM, AS SOMEBODY WHO LIKES TO TAKE CARE OF, OF, YOU KNOW, THEIR THINGS.
THAT'S KIND OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'M LOOKING FOR.
UM, THE OTHER THING IS, YOU MENTIONED CAR PARKING AND, AND FOR ME, I JUST DON'T REALLY SEE THE, I DON'T SEE A LOT OF NEED FOR CARS.
MAYBE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH CARS.
I MEAN, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MORE CARS.
WELL, I MEAN, LIKE PROJECT CARS.
I HAVE A PROJECT CAR THAT'S AN OLD MUSTANG YEAH.
THAT SITS IN MY GARAGE, TAKES UP SPACE.
I MEAN, I'D RATHER MOVE IT TO A STORAGE PLACE
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THAN HAVE IT, IT SITTING IN MY, AS MY HUSBAND ALSO LIKES TO FIX UP CARS.BUT WITH THAT AREA, I KNOW NORTHERN TOOL HAS A LOT OF ISSUES WITH CRIME.
AND SO I KNOW IF IT WAS A, A PRIZED CAR OR A, YOU KNOW, A PROJECT CAR, IT'S, IT'S OPEN TO ANYBODY REALLY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE ISN'T 24 HOUR, AND I KNOW THAT YOU HAD SAID THAT IT'S SIMILAR TO ROOM, UM, BUT VROOM DID HAVE 24 HOUR SECURITY.
UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU PROBABLY CAN'T DO THAT FOR THIS, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.
UM, YEAH, KIND OF BETWEEN THE TWO.
WELL, THEY, THEY HAVE THESE HIGH TECH NEW CAMERAS THAT I WAS LOOKING AT THAT BASICALLY SENDS MOTION LIVE VIDEO, AND THEY ACTUALLY SPEAK OUT AND SAY SOMETHING LIKE, THE COPS ARE ON THE WAY, GET OUT.
SO THEY, IT'S AN AUDIBLE ALARM THAT WILL DETER THIEVES FROM DOING THAT.
I DID RUN ACROSS ONE OF THOSE RECENTLY AND IT DID SCARE ME.
SO THEY ARE VERY LOUD AND YEAH, THEY'RE VERY LOUD AND THEY'LL DEFINITELY, THEY'RE VERY LOUD.
SO, SO THE NEED FOR A 24 HOUR SECURITY PROBABLY ISN'T THERE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? ALL RIGHT.
EMILY, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK? OKAY, I DIDN'T WANNA MISS YOU.
WELL, BEFORE YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT RV AND I'M ASSUMING HOW, WHAT'S YOUR BUSINESS MODEL ON THIS? DO YOU RENT IT OUT? A MINIMUM OF THREE MONTHS OR OVERNIGHT OR 60 DAYS IS GONNA BE THE MINIMUM 60 DAYS MINIMUM.
AND FOR AN RV, HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST ME TO PARK MY RV THERE? 60 DAYS? UH, $300 A MONTH, ROUGHLY 300 A MONTH.
AND A CAR? CAR ABOUT 150 A MONTH.
RIO ROMANO, UH, 1 1 9 2 3 BLOOMINGTON.
I LIVE, UH, JUST CLOSE TO THAT, UH, SECTION, UH, WILL NOT BE CLOSE TO THE CIRCLE AREA, BUT IT IS, UH, ON THE OTHER SIDE.
UM, MY CONCERN RIGHT NOW IS IF WE CHANGE SOMETHING, I DON'T BELIEVE IS GOING TO BE ONLY FOR THE RED AREA, IT'S GOING TO BE FOR THE WHOLE SPACE OR THE WHOLE CITY.
WHEN IF WE CHANGE, CHANGE THIS, UH, ORDINANCE, ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO THAT PART, THAT CHANGE? IT'S NOT, IT'S GOING TO BE ONLY FOR THAT AREA OR FOR EVERYTHING.
THEY, FOR THE WHOLE
BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS WHEN WE START DOING THAT, WE ARE GOING TO KEEP HAVING CHANGE SHEET FOR THE OTHER BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT THE OTHER SIZE WHERE IS BEHIND MY HOUSE, NOTHING IS HAPPENING.
I DON'T KNOW WHO THE OWNERS ARE, BUT DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY INTEREST ON IMPROVING THAT AREA.
I NEVER AGREE, I NEVER LIKED THE IDEA OF HAVING THAT IN MY CLOSE TO MY HOUSE.
ALARMS THAT NEVER WERE RESPONDED, NOBODY CHANGE IT.
I HAVE MECHANICS MAKING NOISE AT FOUR IN THE MORNING, UH, ONE THAT USED TO HAVE LATINO MUSIC VERY, VERY LOUD AND I COULDN'T SLEEP.
UH, SO MANY OTHER PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE LIVING ON THE BACK.
AS MY WIFE SAID, WE FEEL LIKE, UH, WE ARE THE TRASH OF THE CITY AND UH, AND WE ARE THE ENTRANCE OF THE CITY AND BEING THE ENTRANCE OF THE CITY ALWAYS WAS A PAINFUL THING TO COME TO MY HOUSE AND, AND SEE THIS.
SO I NEVER LIKED BROOM OR THE OTHER ONE, ESPECIALLY THE OTHER ONE BECAUSE THE NOISE THAT THEY USED TO DO, AS I SAID, THE ALARM, WE HAVE A WEEKEND, A FULL ALARM, SOMETHING AND NOBODY REALLY NEVER CAME TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
UM, RIGHT NOW, UH, IT'S EMPTY.
IT IS A LITTLE BETTER THAN WE USED TO BE BEFORE.
THE OTHER CONCERN WILL BE STATIONARY VEHICLES WILL ACCUMULATE TRASH JUST BECAUSE IT'S HAPPEN ON NATURE.
IT WILL BE ACCUMULATED, ESPECIALLY THE LONGER THE VEHICLE IS STATION.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO AND CLEAN AND WASH EVERY WEEK.
SO RATS, MICE, ALL THESE KIND OF THINGS ARE GOING TO BE THERE.
UH, ESPECIALLY I'M CONCERNED FOR THE PEOPLE THAT IS ACTUALLY BEHIND.
THE OTHER PART BEHIND IS ANOTHER CITY, SO, BUT WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT ALSO AS WELL.
UM, I KNOW THAT FOR MANY PEOPLE, THIS HAS BEEN A VERY AWFUL THING FOR THE CITY.
TALKING TO PEOPLE FROM HOUSTON, SLAND, MISSOURI CITY, STAFFORD, EVEN STAFFORD CONSIDERING WHAT IT IS, THEY NEVER LIKE THIS THING.
SO WE NEED TO MOVE TO HAVE SOMETHING BETTER.
SOMETHING THAT WE HELP THIS, THE ENTRANCE OF THE CITY.
AND ALSO, WELL, I DON'T THINK WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ALL THESE TRUCKS COMING, LIKE, UH, WE DID BEFORE.
BUT, UH, STILL I REALLY PREFER NOT TO CHANGE BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S
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REALLY GOING TO MAKE US BETTER.TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE DO SPECIAL USE PERMITS IS THAT EVEN IF THIS WERE APPROVED, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO APPROVE THE NEXT ONE.
AND, AND SO THE, IT REALLY RESTRICTS IT TO THE AREA THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED AS A ONETIME USE AND IT DOESN'T SET A PRECEDENT FOR DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY.
NOW, ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING TO GET INPUT.
PNZ WILL GO MAKE THEIR CONSIDERATION, BRING US BACK A RECOMMENDATION, AND THEN COUNSEL CAN EITHER ACCEPT THAT RECOMMENDATION OR REJECT IT.
UH, SEAN RE 1, 2 0 3 8 SCOTTSDALE DRIVE AND I SEVEN PNZ.
UM, FIRST THANK YOU FOR OWNING THE PROPERTY AS LONG AS YOU HAVE AND LOOKING FOR A WAY TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT'S JUST SITTING THERE.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL DECISION'S GONNA BE.
I MEAN, WE'VE GOT A LOT TO DISCUSS, UM, BUT I WANTED TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS OFF OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP JUST TO KIND OF GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING FOR MYSELF.
UM, YOU'VE, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON THE LOT ITSELF.
UM, ON THE SURFACE, ARE YOU LEAVING IT AS IS? ARE THERE, WHAT ARE THE, UH, ARE YOU GONNA ADD COVERED PARKING? ARE YOU GONNA LEAVE IT OPEN LOT RELINING CLEANING? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S IN THE WORKS THAT YOU PLANNED ON? IF IT GETS APPROVED, YES.
I'M GOING TO BASICALLY RESURFACE SOME PARTS OF IT.
NOT ALL THE BACK IS IN FAIR CONDITION, THE FRONTS AND BACK CONDITION.
BASICALLY COVERED SPOT, UH, SPOTS FOR RVS AND CARS.
I WAS AGAINST THAT, BUT IF YOU FEEL THAT IT'S BETTER FOR THE PROJECT, I'LL CONSIDER IT, BUT, OH, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING, I'M JUST ASKING.
I JUST WANTED TO JUST 'CAUSE YOU WERE TOUCHING ON SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'RE ON AS OF TODAY.
I, I DIDN'T CONSIDER IT, BUT, SO WITH THE FENCE ITSELF, YOU'VE, YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT ADDING, UM, AN ENTRANCE, A KEYPAD, A GATE SYSTEM INTO IT.
UM, ARE THERE ANY OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO ON THE FENCE ITSELF AS, OR LEAVE IT AS IS AND JUST IMPROVE ON THE ENTRANCES? PAINT THE FRONT.
RECONDITION, WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE FIXED ON THAT FRONT END.
AND THEN BASICALLY ADD CAMERAS, THOSE SECURITY CAMERAS.
SO THE REST OF THE FENCE AND I HAVEN'T WALKED IT, SO I HAVE NO IDEA.
BUT IS IT, THE REST OF THE FENCE IS AS IS STAYS AS IS? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND IT'S NOT IN THAT BACK CONDITION? NO EXTRA LIGHTING? NO.
THERE ARE SOME POLES THAT I'M GONNA ADD.
SO IN THE PERIMETER IN THAT VEIN, WHEN YOU SAY MIGHT, WHERE ARE YOU IN TERMS OF YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS? 'CAUSE MIGHT, COULD BE ANYTHING.
I MEAN, IT'S NI MIKE'S NICE, BUT WHAT DO YOU HAVE ACTUALLY PLANNED THAT YOU'RE GONNA ADD, CHANGE OR DEVELOP? I'VE ADDED FOUR.
BUT, UH, I CAN'T SEE THAT, BUT OKAY.
UH, ALONG THE FRONT I'VE ADDED FOUR, UH, RIGHT WHERE THE ENTRANCES ARE, THERE'LL BE TWO AND THEN ONE AND ONE.
I'M ASSUMING THAT TOTAL COVERAGE OF THE, THE PROPERTY WHEN IT COMES TO SECURITY.
WHO'S MONITORING THE SECURITY CAMERAS? THERE'LL BE A SECURITY COMPANY.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, YOU'RE GONNA HIRE AN OUTSIDE WATCH THAT'S SECURITY.
UM, WHEN THEY CONTACT, WHAT'S THEIR RESPONSE TIME TYPICALLY? ARE THEY GONNA DI DIRECTLY CONTACT YOU TO CONTACT THE POLICE OR DO THEY THEY BOTH.
UM, YOUR TARGET MARKET WHEN YOU COME TO, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING RV'S AND CARS AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT IT'S PROBABLY MORE THE INDIVIDUAL.
I'M ASSUMING YOU DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS THAT'S LOOKING TO BRING HER VEHICLES IN.
WHAT AREAS ARE YOU ADVERTISING TO TO DEVELOP STAFFORD MEADOWS AND SUGARLAND.
SO STAFFORD MEADOWS, SUGARLAND, UM, WHEN YOU SAY SUGAR LAND, ARE YOU REACHING OUT AS FAR AS PECAN GROVE? ARE YOU, ARE YOU POSTING IT IN THE YELLOW PAGES THREE? THE NEWSPAPER? HOW, I MEAN, HOW ARE YOU ADVERTISING WHAT? OH, UH, BASICALLY, UH, ON ONLINE INSTAGRAM AND PAID ADS.
PAID ADS INTO WHAT? YEAH, GOOGLE AND GOOGLE.
SO YOU, IT'LL BE AN ONLINE SEARCH ONLY.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GONNA PRINT ADS.
I WANTED TO ADD AS A POINT OF INFORMATION FOR DISCUSSION, UM, THE ORDINANCE ON THIS PARTICULAR SUP, UH, IF YOU LOOK DOWN IN SECTION, UH, FOUR AND ALSO SECTION SIX, SECTION FOUR, UH, SPECIFIES THAT THIS GRANT, THIS PERMIT WOULD BE GRANTED ONLY TO THE APPLICANT AND IS NOT ASSIGNABLE.
AND SO, SO LONG AS THE APPLICANT OWNS THE PROPERTY, IT'S THE APPLICANT'S SUP SECTION SIX.
SECTION SIX, UH, DOES GIVE A TIME LIMIT WITH AN OPTION FOR AN EXPIRATION.
RIGHT NOW, THE DEFAULT BUILT IN IS THAT IT SHALL, UH, EXPIRE FIVE YEARS FROM THE DATE OF THE OCCURRENCE OF THE ORDINANCE UNLESS AN APPLICATION FOR EXTENSION IS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY.
UH, OR THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE TO THE LOCATION OR IT GETS SOLD.
AND SO THE SUP GOES AWAY IN ONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS.
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NOW ALL OF THIS CAN BE CHANGED TONIGHT BY COUNSEL SHOULD YOU WISH, BUT I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT THE WAY IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THAT'S THE DEFAULT SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE AS IT'S WRITTEN.IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS SUBJECT? WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CLOSE OUT THE PUBLIC HEARING THEN.
WAIT TILL YOU GET THERE TO ASK THE QUESTION.
MY ONLY CONCERN AFTER LOOKING AT THIS MAP AND EVERYTHING, DORRANCE LANE IS A ASPHALT ROAD BETWEEN THE, UM, SERVICE ROAD ON 59 ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE FIRST ROAD HERE IN THE MEADOWS.
I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER THE EXTRA TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED ON DORRANCE, THAT THAT WILL GO DOWN THERE AND WILL TEAR UP THE ASPHALT.
I JUST WANT YOU TO, TO KEEP THAT IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND.
WITH THAT WE'RE COUNTING DOWN AND WE ARE CONCLUDING THE JOINT PUBLIC HEARING ON THE, UH, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR THE AUTO AND RV STORAGE.
UH, NEXT WE WILL ALLOW P AND Z TO GO AND, AND I ASSUME, UH, YOUR, OUR CITY ADMINISTRATOR WILL BE DISAPPEARING WITH YOU.
Y'ALL BRING BACK ANSWERS TO BOTH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO BOTH PLEASE.
AND WE'LL BE MOVING BACK ON WHAT YOU GOT ONE? OH YEAH, THE DEMON.
YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
FOR BOTH THE BUSINESS OWNERS, WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW IS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IS GOING BACK TO MEET IF AFTER A REASONABLE TIME THEY DON'T FEEL THEY'RE GONNA COME UP WITH AN ANSWER OR RECOMMENDATION FOR COUNCIL TONIGHT, THEY'LL COME OUT AND LET US KNOW THAT AND WE'LL ADDRESS THAT IN THE FUTURE TIME.
OTHERWISE, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? THEY WILL COME BACK WITH AN ANSWER TO THE, UM, OR A RECOMMENDATION FOR BOTH THE SMOKE SHOP AND THE RV PARK.
UH, AND THEN IT WILL THEN BE HANDED OVER TO, UH, COUNSEL AND THEN WE'LL MAKE A DETERMINATION AS WELL.
SO YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO SIT HERE.
UM, IF YOU NEED WATER OR ANYTHING, HOLLER AT US AND WE CAN GET YOU SOMETHING.
OKAY? ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, WE HAVE GOT TO, UH, ANOTHER ITEM THAT IS NOT, UH, PUBLIC HEARING RELATED OR TRANSPORTATION OR SMOKE SHOP RELATED.
UM, RICK, I'M GONNA THROW THIS AT YOU.
UH, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 14 AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT WITH TRANSCEND ENGINEERS AND PLANNERS FOR SUPPLEMENTAL PROPOSAL NUMBER TWO FOR ADDITIONAL ENGINEERING SERVICES RELATED TO THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION FOR THE FORT BEND MOBILITY BOND PROJECT AND THE AMOUNT OF $35,232.
UH, YOUR PACKET HAS A SUPPORT DOCUMENTATION.
UH, THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE THE SUPPLEMENTAL SCOPE.
UH, I'M GONNA THROW IT OVER TO RICK TO EXPLAIN WHAT I'M RECOMMENDING.
THESE, UH, ARE CHANGES MOSTLY FOR WHAT CENTER POINT HAS REQUIRED FROM, UM, THE PROJECT THAT ARE ABOVE WHAT WAS INTENT, INTENT OR INITIALLY ENVISIONED.
UM, ALSO WE'VE MADE A FEW CHANGES AT THE DISCOVERY CENTER ENTRANCE.
SO, UM, OF THE 35080% WILL BE COVERED BY FORT BEND COUNTY THROUGH THE MOBILITY BOND.
UH, THE 20% THAT IS REMAINING IS ABOUT SPLIT EVENLY BETWEEN MEADOWS PLACE AND STAFFORD.
SO EACH CITY WILL BE FUNDING ABOUT $3,500 OF THIS, AND THEN THE REST WILL BE COMING FROM THE COUNTY.
AND I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE ANY FURTHER.
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I AM SORRY.I DIDN'T SEE YOUR LITTLE SIGN.
SO WE'VE HAD A MOTION BY RICK AND A SECOND BY, UH, DAVID TO APPROVE THE SUPPLEMENTAL, UH, APPROVE THIS INCREASE OF $35,232.
ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? HEARING NONE.
THAT MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
ALRIGHT, NOW I, WE SIT TOTAL OUR VOTES.
THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, COUNSEL, EVERYBODY BACK IN.
I'M CALLING US OUTTA SESSION AND MOVING ON TO ITEM E TO ACCEPT THE REPORT FROM PLANNING AND ZONING REGARDING A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
I HAVE A CITY SECRETARY HELP ME OUT TO REMIND YOU ABOUT ALL WE'RE DOING HERE IS ACCEPTING THE REPORT FROM P AND Z ON THE, UH, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT RE REQUEST FOR THE SMOKE SHOP.
DO I NEED TO ANNOUNCE MY, UH, OR IDENTIFY WHERE I LIVE? NO.
'CAUSE I DON'T LIKE DOING THAT TWICE.
UM, SO WE, UH, WE MET, WE DISCUSSED, WE INVITED, UM, THE CHIEF TO COME AND SPEAK WITH US AS WELL TO KIND OF GIVE HIS INSIGHTS AND WE ASK QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU, WHICH WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS FIRST OR YOU WANT TO TALK TO? NO, NO.
AND WE ARE ACCEPTING YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
THAT'S ALL YOU'RE DOING IS GIVING US YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
UM, P AND Z AFTER, AFTER DISCUSSION UNANIMOUSLY DECIDED TO NOT APPROVE THE SUP FOR THE, UH, SMOKE SHOP.
UM, HAPPY TO EXPAND ON THAT IF COUNSEL HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR, UM, COUNSEL, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? UH, P AND Z WELL, JUST, JUST TO START IT, I'LL MOVE TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATION.
I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT BY RICK, SECOND BY DAVID, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION IF YOU WANT TO JUST GIVE US THE HIGHLIGHTS, SEAN.
UM, I MEAN I, A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD DIDN'T, DIDN'T DIVERT VERY FAR FROM WHAT YOU HEARD FROM THE, UH, THE AUDIENCE WHEN THEY GOT UP AND HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT.
THERE WAS A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT A SMOKE SHOPS WILL, WILL ULTIMATELY POTENTIALLY CHANGE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND IT'S, IT THE PEOPLE THAT IT BRINGS IN.
UM, I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSSED, I, I BROUGHT UP THAT, UM, WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE PLOTTING ON JUST A GOOGLE SEARCH ON GOOGLE MAPS OF WHERE SMOKE SHOPS FALL.
UM, THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATION THAT SURROUNDS OUR CITY TENDS TO BE IN AREAS THAT WE DON'T LOOK TOWARDS TO EMULATE.
WE LOOK AWAY FROM AND IN OTHER AREAS.
AND THAT'S A CONCERN, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU START TO TALK WITH OUR PD AND FIND OUT THAT THAT'S ALSO SOME OF THE HIGHEST CRIME RATES OR CRIME CENTERS OF HOUSTON.
AND NOT THAT NECESSARILY HAVING A SMOKE SHOP IS GOING TO DRAW THAT IN, BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE A, A STRONG CORRELATION THAT THE PATRONS OF THOSE ESTABLISHMENTS MAY BE DRAWN TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
SO THAT WAS DEFINITELY A FEAR AND WAS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION.
ANYTHING ELSE, COUNSEL? ALL IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING? ANY OPPOSED? OKAY.
MOTION TO ACCEPT CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
SEAN, WHY DON'T WE JUST JUMP RIGHT ON THE F AND SINCE THAT'S AFTER E DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE 2014 DASH 19 REGARDING SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
YES, THIS IS FOR COUNSEL, SORRY.
THIS IS FOR US COUNSEL, UH, FOR DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE 2024 DASH 19 REGARDING SPECIFIC USE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR MTA UNDER CODE OF ORDINANCE 1 53, SECTION 1 53 0.96 B TWO E TO ALLOW SMOKING PARAPHERNALIA ESTABLISHMENT LOCATED AT 1 1 6 1 1 WEST AIRPORT.
I'LL MOVE TO DENY THE APPLICATION MOTION TO DENY SECOND, SECOND BY KURT.
UH, SO I JUST, UM, WANT TO SAY, UH, DOES TIM, DID TIM LEAVE? I KNOW WHEN TIM TRIED
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TO BRING IN HIS BUSINESS, UM, I KNOW THAT IT WAS HIGHLY CONTESTED.UM, AND SO SOMETIMES WE DON'T ALWAYS LIKE THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMING IN.
UM, BUT I WILL SAY WITH TIM, UM, HE HAS DONE A GREAT JOB OF KEEPING UP HIS BUSINESS, UM, AND, UM, AND PUTTING BACK INTO THE COMMUNITY.
SO I'M NOT AGAINST THIS JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT IT IS.
I WILL SAY THAT, UM, IT IS FOR, UM, IT IS A LOT ABOUT WHAT THE, UM, WHAT THE CHIEF HAD SAID ABOUT THE CRIME THAT IT BRINGS IN.
THE OTHER THING IS FOR BEING COMPLETELY ACROSS THE STREET FROM A PRESCHOOL, UM, JUST LIKE I, I WOULDN'T BE FOR A, A LIQUOR STORE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM, FROM A PRESCHOOL.
UM, SO FOR ME THAT'S KIND OF IT.
IT'S NOT EXACTLY NECESSARILY WHAT IT IS, BUT, BUT A AS A COMMUNITY AND WHAT WE ARE, IT JUST DOESN'T FIT.
AND THERE'S SO MANY AROUND THE CORNER THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY CLOSE.
UM, IF SOMEBODY DID WANT TO GO THERE.
UM, SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
FOR THE OWNERS OR FOR THE APPLICANTS FOR FUTURE REFERENCE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SUBMIT FOR AN APPLICATION LIKE THIS, COME WITH SOME KIND OF PRESENTATION, IT REALLY DIDN'T HELP YOUR CASE THAT YOU DIDN'T EVEN SPEAK FOR YOUR OWN BUSINESS.
SO THOUGHT THAT CHANCE SPEAK AND I THOUGHT YOU SPEAK
I GAVE, UH, I SAID, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS COUNSEL? AND I THOUGHT I MADE IT CLEAR, BUT OUR BUSINESS DIDN'T THEM SPEAK FOR US, THIS WAS A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY BUSINESS.
SO FOR US, THIS WAS A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY TO BE ALSO IN BIG AREA, WHICH IS SAFE, WHICH IS MORE
ALSO DON'T LIKE EVERYBODY SMOKES.
I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA INTERRUPT YOU.
I'M SORRY THAT I DIDN'T MAKE IT CLEAR BY ASKING YOU PERSONALLY TO COME UP.
I LEARNED THE LESSON A LITTLE LATE.
I'M, I'M LEARNING, BUT I, YOU, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE ANOTHER BUSINESS THAT DOESN'T HAVE SMOKING OR VAPING.
WE WOULD LOVE IT TO SEE YOU HERE RUNNING A BUSINESS NOW.
AND DON'T GIVE UP, FIND SOMETHING ELSE.
NOW WE NEED TO ACCEPT THE REPORT FROM PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGARDING SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FROM MOCON UNDER THE MEADOWS PLACE, CODE OF ORDINANCES, SECTION 1 53 0.95 B2C, TRANSPORTATION, AUTOMOBILE, UM, FOR PARKING AND RV STORAGE AT, UH, ON DO YOU'VE GOT THE LEGAL APPLICATION.
SO THIS WAS, THIS WAS DEFINITELY A, A, THERE WAS A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION IN DEPTH THAN THIS AND SOME, I GUESS, UM, HOLISTIC, LOOKING AT IT THERE, THERE'S DEFINITELY AN APPRECIATION FOR THE OWNERS WANTING TO DEVELOP AND TO CONTINUE TO BUILD BUSINESS INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, HOWEVER, UNANIMOUSLY DECIDED THAT WE DID NOT WANT TO APPROVE IT.
UM, AFTER SPEAKING WITH, UM, THE CHIEF, THERE WAS SOME SIMILAR CONCERNS IN TERMS OF WHAT, HOW IT WOULD TAX OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IN TERMS OF THE, THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE.
UM, JUST IN NATURE OF IT NOT BEING MANNED, WHILE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME SIMILARITIES DRAWN BETWEEN WHAT WAS THERE AND WHAT'S PLANNED TO BE THERE, UM, THERE IS A NOTABLE DIFFERENCE FROM IN OUR FEELINGS OF A MONITORED VERSUS A LIVE PERSON THAT ROOM HAD, WHICH STILL HAD BREAK-INS AND PROBLEMS AND ISSUES THAT WERE BURDENED ONTO OUR SYSTEM VERSUS ONE THAT IS NOW REMOTELY MONITORED AND HAS A LONGER DELAY IN COMING IN.
SO ON THAT SIDE, THERE WAS A CONCERN.
THEN THERE WAS ALSO CONCERN IN TERMS OF WHAT THE, THE ACTUAL PATRONS OF THIS BUSINESS WOULD, UM, BRING.
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THE, IF YOU HAVE A VEHICLE THAT'S COME AND IT'S NOT OPERABLE, CHANCES ARE IT'S GONNA REMAIN INOPERABLE ON THIS LOCATION.AND THEN HOW LONG DOES IT STAY AND WHAT DOES THAT EVENTUALLY BECOME? SO A LOT OF THAT DISCUSSION WAS INVOLVED IN TERMS OF OUR DECISION OF DENYING THIS OR RECOMMENDING THAT WE, THAT YOU DENY IT.
ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THEIR RECOMMENDATION OF NO MOTION BY TIA MOTION? MM-HMM.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COUNSELOR QUESTIONS? NO.
ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY TO ACCEPT P AND Z RECOMMENDATION.
YOU ALWAYS SOUND SO SMART WHEN YOU'RE UP THERE.
YOU ALWAYS SOUND SO INFORMED THOUGH WHEN YOU'RE UP THERE.
IT MOVES US ON TO ITEM H, WHICH IS DISCUSSION OF CON OF AND CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE 24 DASH 20 REGARDING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION.
AGAIN, FROM ALL ECONN UNDER MEDALS PLACE ORDINANCES CHAPTER 1 53, 95 B2C, TRANSPORTATION, AUTOMOBILE, AND RELATED USES TO ALLOW AUTO AND RV STORAGE.
COUNSEL, I'M LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO EITHER ACCEPT OR REJECT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REJECT THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I AM A LITTLE MORE CONFLICTED ON THIS ONE BECAUSE IT WOULD ALLOW THE OWNER TO MAKE A LITTLE MONEY AND EVERYTHING.
BUT I MEAN, WHEN VROOM WAS HERE, HOW MANY VEHICLES DID THEY LOSE A YEAR? CHIEF? A COUPLE DOZEN.
AND WITH ALL THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE WITH NORTHERN TOOL, I THINK YOU WOULD REALLY LOSE A LOT OF VEHICLES OUT OF THIS LOT.
UM, NO MATTER WHAT SECURITY SYSTEM YOU PUT ON IT UM, UNTIL WE GET MORE ACTIVITY IN THAT AREA BY SOMETHING IN THE, IN THE BUILDINGS, I JUST THINK THAT THIS WOULD INVITE MORE THEFT AND THINGS LIKE THAT INTO THAT AREA.
UM, I ALSO THINK YOU'D BE BETTER OFF WITH COVERED PARKING IF YOU REALLY WANT TO RENT OUT TO RVS, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT I WANNA SEE THAT THERE ANYWAY, SO.
SO WE'VE GOT I TO JUST HAVE SOMETHING.
SO, UM, I DID APPRECIATE SEAN SAYING THANK YOU, UM, FOR WANTING TO DEVELOP THAT PROPERTY.
I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE, ARE CONSTANTLY THINKING OF WAYS TO REDEVELOP IT AND WE REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT WE'RE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO THINK OF NEW WAYS TO HELP OUT AS WELL.
SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT.
UM, BUT I THINK JUST HEARING THE RESIDENTS AND, AND ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT LIVE RIGHT THERE, UM, I DON'T LIVE FAR FROM THERE AS WELL.
UM, IT, IT IS HARD TO VOTE FOR THIS PARTICULAR THING, BUT I PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE BRING US, UH, MORE THINGS.
UM, I DON'T WANT TO JUST DENY TO DENY IT REALLY IS SOMETHING THAT I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT.
UM, BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU CONTINUING TO LOOK FOR MORE OPPORTUNITIES.
SO WE'VE HAD A MOTION, WE'VE HAD A SECOND END OF DISCUSSION.
ANY OPPOSED? THAT MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY TO DENY THE, UH, SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
COUNSEL, IF I CAN, I SPOKE BRIEFLY WITH MR. KHAN.
HE'S GONNA BE MESSAGING ME TOMORROW OR THE NEXT DAY.
HE AND I WILL GET TOGETHER ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS SHORTLY THEREAFTER.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT THEY HAVE SOME STRANGE CIRCUMSTANCES, WHICH IS PRECLUDING THEM FROM MOVING FORWARD, BUT WE THINK WE MAY HAVE A, A WAY TO GO AND, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO MR. KAHN, I'M DISAPPOINTED FOR YOU.
I'M NOT DISAPPOINTED IN THE OUTCOME, BUT I, I DO SAY THAT I APPRECIATE Y'ALL WORKING SO HARD TO GET SOMETHING GOING AND I HAVE HAD THE GOOD FORTUNE OF BEING IN THE RESTAURANT SINCE THEY'VE REDONE IT AND IT IS GORGEOUS.
AND IF YOU WOULD TELL YOUR MOTHER I SAID THAT, WILL YOU? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALRIGHT, WELL COUNSEL, I THINK THAT WRAPS IT UP AND MOVES US ON TO ITEM I AND IF THERE'S NO FURTHER OBJECTIONS, WE'LL JUST CALL THIS MEETING ADJOURNED.