[Special City Council Meeting]
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IT IS TUESDAY, MARCH 23RD, 2021 AT 5:34 PM.
WE AT CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS MEDISPLAY CITY HALL.
WE HAVE, UH, WE'RE CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER AND ANNOUNCED.
WE HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT TO YOU.
BAKER IS NOT HERE AT THE PRESIDENT.
ITEM NUMBER B IS FIRST READING OF RESOLUTION 2021 DASH OH SEVEN.
IDENTIFYING DORRANCE LANE REHABILITATION DESIGN AS A PROJECT AND APPROVING EDC EXPENSES NOT TO EXCEED $150,000 FOR THE PROJECT.
AND I NEED TO READ THAT, BUT WHERE AM I AT? OH, THERE IT IS.
THAT IS ITEM B IS RESOLUTION 2021 DASH ZERO SEVEN.
IDENTIFYING DORIS LANE, UH, REHABILITATION DESIGN AS A PROJECT AND APPROVING EDC EXPENSES NOT TO EXCEED 150,000 FOR THE PROJECT.
THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF THIS RESOLUTION THAT CONCLUDES THE READING.
I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT.
READING JOHN, YOUR LATE SECOND, SECOND BY RICK ON THE READING OF IT.
WHERE DID, HOLD ON JUST A SECOND.
I'M TRYING TO FIND, WELL, SHE'S REPORTING IT.
I HAD TO JUST COME UP HERE BECAUSE OF THIS NEW, I WILL SAY, CHARLIE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO UPDATE THE COUNSELING, YOU NEED TO UPDATE THE PICTURE NOW.
WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST SUMMER, ABOUT A ROAD PLAN, A ROADMAP.
DO WE HAVE THAT YET? LAST SUMMER, WHEN WE PUT THIS ON THE BUDGET, WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING THE STEVE
UM, LAST SUMMER, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE BUDGET SESSION, UM, WE HAD SAID THAT I REMEMBER MEETING YOU RICK FOR TALKING ABOUT IT, THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT TOGETHER A PLAN OR A ROADMAP BEFORE WE'RE ACTUALLY START SPENDING MONEY.
HAS THAT, HAS THAT HAPPENED? YOU HAVE SOMEBODY HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON IT.
SO WE HAD A, NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.
WE HAD AN OPEN HOUSE OR WHATEVER.
WE CALLED IT IN NOVEMBER TO KIND OF GO OVER THE OPTION AND TALK ABOUT CONCRETE VERSUS ASPHALT, WHATEVER.
UM, FROM THERE WE HAD SOME COMMUNITY FEEDBACK.
WE DECIDED TO GO WITH CONCRETE FOR OUR ROADWAYS, NOT ASPHALT FOR DORRANCE.
WE WERE GOING TO GO WITH A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK INSTEAD OF FOUR.
WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE OTHERS LATER.
AND THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PHASED PROJECT ON DORRANCE OVER THE NEXT, HOW MANY YEARS.
AND THE FIRST PROJECT IS GOING TO BE, UM, DESIGN FROM KIRKWOOD TO BLOOMINGTON ACTUALLY TO THE DOG PARK.
SO, AND THEN THE, ON THE DESIGN ON THE DESIGN, SORRY, IN BLOOMINGTON TO THE DOG PARK, SORRY, KIRKWOOD TO THE DOG PARK, RIGHT TO BLOOMINGTON.
AND FROM THERE, ONCE THAT PROJECT IS DONE, THEN WE'LL CONTINUE WESTWARD DOWN DORRANCE UNTIL WE GET TO DAIRY ASHFORD.
AND THEN WE'LL START WORKING ON EITHER MONOSITO OR MULHOLLAND AND THAT'LL BE DETERMINED BY THE COUNCIL AT THAT TIME.
SO THE ROADMAP IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GO STRAIGHT DOWN DORRANCE WITH CONCRETE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS.
SO DARREN ARE REPLACING PLUMBING, TUBE OR SEWERS AND ALL THAT Y'ALL ALL WATER LINES WILL BE REPLACED.
ALL SANITARY CROSSINGS WILL BE REPLACED.
WE'RE TELEVISING THE, UM, AND A STORM SEWER PLAN IS TO REUSE THE EXISTING STORM SEWER, EXCEPT FOR IF WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM.
FOR SOME REASON, WE'RE INCREASING THE SLOPE OF THE ROADWAY, 2.0 0.0 4.4%, UM, WHICH SHOULD HELP REDUCE BIRD BATHS IN THE FUTURE.
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WE'RE GOING WITH STAMPED CONCRETE FOR ALL CROSSWALKS, UM, BUT NO OTHER DECORATIVE OR, UH, UH, TRAFFIC CALMING FEATURES.SO THAT IS THE BASIC ROADMAP, YOU KNOW, AND ONCE YOU GET DONE WITH THE THREE MAIN ROADWAYS, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO START PICKING OUT WHICH ONES GO AFTER, WHETHER THAT'S BY ASSESSMENT OR WHICH ONES WE THINK WILL BRING THE MOST VALUE TO THE CITY.
UM, AND THE INTENT IS ACTUALLY THE NEXT TIME THE COUNTY DOES A COUNTY MOBILITY BOND, TRY TO GET SOME OF THE REST OF DORRANCE PAID FOR THROUGH A MOBILITY BOND.
BUT IF WE DO ALL OUR DORRANCE AND MONOSITO, AND THAT'S WHAT GOTTA BE, WHAT 10 YEARS, POSSIBLY LONGER THAN THAT, IF WE DON'T GET MOBILITY FUNDING, RIGHT.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S GOING TO BE HOW MUCH APPETITE THE CITIZENS HAVE FOR TAXES.
WE EITHER DON'T REDUCE THE PROPERTY PROPERTY, UM, TAX NUMBER AS THE EVALUATIONS GO UP IN ORDER TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO THE ROADWAY, OR IF THE CITIZENS WANT THEIR PROPERTY TAX RATE REDUCED, THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO AS MUCH ROADWAY GOING FORWARD.
AND THAT'S JUST, THAT'S GOING TO BE A YEARLY DISCUSSION WITH THE CITIZENS.
WHAT IS THE APPETITE FOR THESE NEW ROADWAYS? THE END OF THIS ONE 50 IS JUST FOR THE ENGINEERING.
SO THE ACTUAL ENGINEERING, THE CITY'S KICKING IN THE OTHER ONE 50 TO GET 300,000 FOR THE ENGINEERING, FROM BLOOMINGTON TO KIRKWOOD.
AND THEN I ASSUME THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE IN THE NEXT BUDGET CYCLE THIS SUMMER.
SO THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO WEIGH IN ON THAT THEY SHOULD WEIGH IN AT THE BUDGET MEETINGS NEXT SUMMER.
AND THE FIRST PACKAGE FROM KIRKWOOD TO OXFORD GLENN CONSTRUCTION ON THAT, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE 1.5 TO $2 MILLION TO OXFORD GLEN.
THAT'S GOING TO BEAR YOU 1.5 TO $2 MILLION.
AND SO WHERE DOES THAT AND RESERVES FOR THAT? WHAT'S THAT THERE'S NOT RESERVES AND 1.5 FOR THAT, UH, IT, THAT WIPE US OUT.
AND SO HOW MUCH CAN WE GET EDC TO FUND? HOW MUCH IS COMING FROM GENERAL FUND? YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE DISCUSSION.
WHERE WERE WE? UM, AT A MOTION AND A SECOND MOTION WAS KURT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION COUNSEL? ALL IN FAVOR, ANY OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
NOW WE'RE ON ITEM C, WHICH A DISCUSSION WITH
I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'VE GOT SOME STUFF FOR US TO WATCH AND YOU'RE GOING TO INFORM US ALL COUNCIL.
I WANT TO REMIND US THAT WE'VE SPENT THUS FAR ABOUT $25,262 AND 52 CENTS 50 CENTS.
AND WE HAVE ABOUT, UH, OUT OF 63,000 TO 32, WHICH WAS THE, A LOT OF CONTRACT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYBODY WHERE WE WERE.
AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN THE MEETING OVER TO YOU.
WELL, WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE TONIGHT CAUSE IT'S TAKEN QUITE A TRAJECTORY OVER THE LAST YEAR.
WE HAD SOME STARTS STOPS AND NICK CAME ON BOARD AND THEN SOME ELECTIONS HAPPEN BACK IN NOVEMBER OR LATE LAST YEAR.
AND JUST FELT LIKE IT WAS BEST FOR THE, THE PROCESS OF THIS.
AND AS THE MAYOR MENTIONED, BECAUSE THERE ARE STILL QUITE A BIT OF FUNDS AVAILABLE THAT IF, IF THE NEW COUNCIL SEES SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A GOOD TIME TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT, UM, TO HELP US, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE PROCESS.
SO OF THE, THE, THE $63,000 FEE TO HEWITT DOLLARS, WHICH WAS PROBABLY THE BACK, UH, BEGINNING OF JANUARY, 2020, UH, THAT WE GOT CONTRACTED FOR THAT.
THERE'S REALLY TWO PARTS TO THIS, UH, THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT AND THE, AND THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
SO THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT FOR ALL INTENSIVE PURPOSES IS COMPLETE, EVEN THOUGH THE, THE CITY HASN'T SEEN A FINAL COPY OF THAT.
I PROMISE YOU, YOU WILL SEE A FINAL COPY OF THAT.
WE'VE JUST GOT A LITTLE BIT OF HOUSEKEEPING TO DO ON OUR END WITH, WITH
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THAT.BUT, UM, THERE WERE A TOTAL OF, OF EIGHT FACILITIES, UM, THAT, THAT WE LOOKED AT AND WE'VE BASICALLY HAVE PROVIDED A, A SIX PAGE REPORT OF EACH ONE OF THOSE WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT DEFICIENCIES AND WHAT WOULD THE COSTS BE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, TO BRING THEM UP TO TODAY'S STANDARDS? WE LOOK AT THINGS LIKE MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL, FIRE, FIRE ALARM, SOME BIG DEFICIENCIES, WE'RE NOT OPENING UP WALLS.
WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT
YOU KNOW, WE'RE, IT'S MORE OF A VISUAL ASSESSMENT.
UM, SO THERE'S THE, THE EIGHT FACILITIES THAT WE LOOKED AT, THE REASON I HIGHLIGHTED THE, THE, THE EMS AND FIRE STATION THREE IS BECAUSE THOSE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN THE FACILITY, UM, NEEDS ASSESSMENT.
THOSE ARE TWO FACILITIES THAT WE, THAT WE'VE PUT TO THE, TO THE SIDE.
AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPAND THOSE IN ANY MANNER, OR EVEN LOOK AT REARRANGING THOSE IN, IN ANY MANNER.
SO, UH, SO I'LL GIVE YOU A KIND OF A BRIEF VIEW OF THIS, AND THIS IS KIND OF WHAT YOU'LL, YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE.
AND THERE'S SOME LAID ON A, ON AN EVENING, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THOSE.
SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE REPORT FOR CITY HALL.
SO THERE'LL BE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS WITH THAT.
AND SOME, EXCUSE ME, WHEN CHRIS, IF I CAN, YES.
I KNOW YOU WANT TO GET ENERGIZED.
YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO STICK CLOSE TO THAT MIC, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO, SO I'LL SCROLL THROUGH THIS.
SO KNOW IT, IT TALKS ABOUT MAKING A VISUAL ASSESSMENT OF THE, OF THE OUTSIDE.
IT'S SOME MORE, I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON, ON THIS.
IT'S MORE JUST GIVING YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE, OF THE UPDATE IN THE PRODUCT.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE AT AND YOU'LL BE RECEIVING A DRAFT COPY, YOU KNOW, HERE IN THE NEXT NEXT FEW WEEKS, UH, TO LOOK AT THAT AND REVIEW AND COMMENT ON THAT.
SO OUR MECHANICAL ENGINEERS ARE OUT HERE ARE ELECTRICAL ENGINEERS, UM, CAME OUT AND WE, AND WE TOURED THE EIGHT BUILDINGS.
UM, AND THEY MADE COMMENTS IN HERE ABOUT THINGS THAT THEY OBSERVED A WHILE HERE.
AND THEN IF YOU KEEP SCROLLING DOWN, THERE'S THINGS LIKE ESTIMATED REPAIR COSTS NINE, $9,000.
SO THERE'S VARYING ITEMS THAT, THAT OUR TEAM WENT AND IDENTIFIED.
UM, AGAIN, THESE CAN BE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE ITEMS THAT YOU JUST KEEP PUSHING THEM.
UM, THE, THE, THE ROAD, OR, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE BUNDLED INTO PART INTO WHATEVER HAPPENS IN THE, IN THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT PORTION OF THE, OF THE PROJECT.
IF THERE'S ROOMS THAT GET THAT GET RECONFIGURED, SOME OF THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY GET ABSORBED INTO THERE AS WELL.
SO THIS IS, IS THAT AN EXAMPLE OF, UM, WHAT THAT A FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT, UH, BEGINS TO LOOK LIKE AND, AND IDENTIFY, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU THE CITY AND FOR THE COUNTS.
PARDON ME? ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? SO MOVING ON TO THE PORTION WHERE WE REALLY WANTED TO GET YOUR, YOUR, YOUR INPUT IS THE FACILITY NEEDS ASSESSMENT, AND THESE ARE THE SIX BUILDINGS THAT WE, THAT WE LOOKED AT.
UM, I AGREE, I ACTUALLY FORGOT TO INCLUDE IT.
SO WE'VE ACTUALLY EVEN GOT, SO WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THE, ALL THE BUILDINGS ACTUALLY HAVE DRAWN THEM UP.
UM, SO, SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, FLOOR PLANS OF ALL THE, ALL, ALL OF THESE SIX BUILDINGS.
SO THESE WERE THE ONES THAT WE IDENTIFIED THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT, UM, INTERVIEW THE VARYING DEPARTMENTS IN THE STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEHIND THESE BUILDINGS OR, OR IN THESE BUILDINGS.
SO THE FIRST THING THAT WE START OUT WITH IS A QUESTIONNAIRE.
SO WE CAN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE ORGANIZATION, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE AND WHAT WE'RE ULTIMATELY TRYING TO DO IS, AND WHY, WE'RE, WHY WE'RE DOING THIS IS WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF SPACE.
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WE HAD TO DO SOME RECONFIGURING, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR WHEN NICK CAME ON ON BOARD AND SOME OTHER THINGS THAT, THAT HAPPENED AS A RESULT WITH THAT.UM, SO GOOD STEWARDS OF THE, OF THE FACILITY.
SO THIS QUESTIONNAIRE WAS, HAD THE TRAJECTORY OF, OF 15, 15 YEARS OR SO, AND IT'S A, IT'S A NINE PAGE OR, OR SEVEN PAGE QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WE PASS AROUND TO THE VARYING DEPARTMENTS HAD ASKED THEM THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART HOURS OF OPERATION STORAGE NEEDS, WHO NEEDS TO BE IN AN OFFICE WHO SHOULD BE IN A, IN A CUBICLE, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF THINGS, SECURITY CONCERNS.
UM, SO WE START WITH THAT TO GET STAFF ENGAGED WITH THAT, TO GET THEIR BUY-IN AND HAVE THEM BECOME PART OF THE PART OF THE PROCESS.
THIS MUST BE, CAUSE I THINK COURTNEY IS THE ONLY ONE THAT DIDN'T ACTUALLY FILL, FILL ONE OUT.
SO, BUT I, I PROMISE YOU THAT THAT OTHER FOLKS DID, DID COMPLETE THEIRS AND THEY DO HAVE, ARE FILLED OUT.
UNFORTUNATELY, COURTNEY IS NOT IN THE ROOM.
SO, SO WITH THAT, WITH THAT QUESTIONNAIRE, WE BEGIN TO CIRCULATING TO FOLKS SO THEY CAN BEGIN TO PROJECT AND S AND SEE WHAT, SO WE CAN BEGIN TO COME WITH SOME STANDARDIZATION OF, OF ROOM SIZES, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ANY, ANY, ANY MUNICIPALITY THAT WE'VE WORKED WITH OVER THE YEARS, SOMEBODY MAY GET STUCK IN A, IN A BROOM CLOSET, AN OLD STORAGE ROOM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU HAD FREE SPACE.
SOME, SOME PEOPLE'S OFFICES MAY BE TOO BIG OR, OR THEY MAY BE TOO SMALL.
SO THIS IS, UH, A TRIED AND TRUE METHOD THAT WE'VE USED FOR, FOR PLANNING, JUST TO GET SOME SQUARE FOOTAGE NUMBERS, TO IDENTIFY WHO, WHO SHOULD REALLY BE IN AN OFFICE LIKE YOU SEE HERE AND VARYING OFFICE SIZES.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT WORKSTATIONS WHO SHOULD BE IN A SIX BY SIX WORKSTATION WHO SHOULD BE IN A 10 BY 10 WORKSTATION.
AND THEN WE HAVE SOME VARIOUS VARYING SIZED CONFERENCE ROOMS AS, AS WELL TO IDENTIFY, DO WE NEED A CONFERENCE ROOM FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, A SIX PERSON COUNCIL ROOM FOR SIX PERSON CONFERENCE ROOM FOR COUNCIL PROBABLY WOULDN'T BE IDEAL.
SO THAT, THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF LOOK AT THIS.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO CAPTURE BIG PICTURE, UM, QUANTITIES OF, OF SPACE.
SO WE WENT THROUGH THAT, AND THIS IS FROM ABOUT, ABOUT JUNE WHERE WE HIT THE PAUSE BUTTON, AND I'LL GIVE YOU HIGH LEVEL OF, OF THE INFORMATION THAT THAT'S HERE.
THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT WE LIKE TO REFER TO AS THE RECIPE FOR SUCCESS.
UM, SO YOU'LL SEE THE, THE VARYING BUILDINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT CITY HALL CURRENTLY IS 9,360 SQUARE FEET THROUGH THE INTERVIEW PROCESS, THE QUESTIONNAIRES MEETING WITH STAFF, UM, THE, THE, THE PROJECTIONS THAT, THAT THEY WERE REQUESTING WAS 13,800.
NOW I'LL JUST, BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THE WEEDS THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE MAKING THAT DID NOT INCLUDE ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO POTENTIALLY EXPANDING THE, THE, THE CHAMBERS.
AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, A BIG ITEM THAT WE WANT TO GET YOUR ALL'S INPUT ON TO, TO, TO GET, UH, COUNCIL'S, YOU KNOW, THOUGHTS ON THAT AS WELL.
SO THE, THE BIG AREAS OF GROWTH OF, OF ALL THE FACILITIES WERE OF THE SIX FACILITIES WHERE CITY HALL, UM, OF ABOUT 4,500 SQUARE FEET, AND THEN A FEW HUNDRED SQUARE FEET OF EXPANDING THE RESTROOMS, UH, MAKING SOME MODIFICATIONS OVER AT THE POOL AND THE REC CENTER AT CITY HALL.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE VARYING GROUPS THAT WE, UH, INTERVIEWED AND, AND SAT DOWN AND MET WITH, YOU KNOW, POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THEY WERE ACTUALLY THE ONES THAT MAJORITY OF THE, OF THE SPACE HERE AT CITY HALL OF THAT THEY'RE RE REQUESTING FOR THEIR, THEIR NEEDS.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE STAFF PROJECTIONS, SO ANYWHERE YOU SEE THE YELLOW IS WHERE SOMETHING HAS EXPANDED, INCREASED RISEN.
SO THESE ARE ALL THE, THE VARYING, UH, SPACES THAT AT CITY HALL.
AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A REQUEST TO, UM, EXPAND THE,
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THE SUPERVISORS AREA OVER AT THE PD.SO, AND THEN EVEN WE SENT OVER THIS LITTLE, LITTLE, LITTLE SNIPPET TO, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT ONLY BECOME A SOUNDING BOARD, BECAUSE PART OF, PART OF THE PROCESSES, THERE'S ALWAYS AN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE THAT, THAT IS PART OF THE PROCESS.
WE WANT TO HEAR THE, THE, THE NEEDS, UM, OF STAFF, BUT, BUT ULTIMATELY, I DON'T WANT TO SAY SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO ASK FOR THE BILLIARDS ROOM OR THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BREAK ROOM WITH THE FOOSBALL TABLE, YOU KNOW, BIG ENOUGH FOR THAT.
BUT, UM, WE, WE ULTIMATELY WE'LL, WE'LL DRAW UP AND TEST THE TH THE SPACES THAT, THAT STAFF ARE REQUESTING JUST TO VERIFY THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND MAKE SURE WE'RE CARRYING THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE IN THE, IN THE PROGRAM.
SO WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW YOU, UM, ANY QUESTIONS WITH THAT, LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIRE IT UP.
WELL, WHAT'S, WHAT'S CRITICAL IS GETTING, UM, COUNCIL, THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE TO THIS, YOU KNOW, SOME GUIDANCE OF WHAT THEY WOULD SEE THE US, THE CONSULTANT WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK AT, BUT, UM, REALLY WHAT, WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT? AND THIS IS FROM ANOTHER, UH, MUNICIPALITY IS BASICALLY WHAT WE'LL DO IS YOU'LL SEE THE PROGRAM THAT ARE ON THE TABLE AND WE'LL TAKE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED, UH, BY STAFF.
AND IT BECOMES A VERY FUN AND INTERACTIVE, UM, SESSION.
WE CALL IT A BLOCKING SESSION.
SO, UM, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IS, UH, THE SPACES THAT ARE BEING ADDED ONTO OR INCREASED TO WE'LL HAVE BLOCKS OF BLOCKS OF SPACE, AND THEN WE'LL WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE TO, WHERE DO WE WANT TO PUT THEM IN THE BUILDING? WHERE DO WE WANT TO PUT A CONFERENCE ROOM? WHO, WHO SHOULD BE NEXT TO WHO, WHAT, WHAT DEPARTMENTS HAVE CRITICAL ADJACENCIES, WHERE THEY WANT TO BE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO EACH OTHER? SO, SO THIS IS A KIND OF LIKE THE NEXT STEP IS, THAT'S WHY IT'S SO CRUCIAL TO GET THE PROGRAM NAILED DOWN AND IDENTIFIED.
SO WE'RE CARRYING THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE, BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T DO US, THE CONSULTANT ANY GOOD TO PLAN FOR YOU.
IF WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT MAYBE NOT ENOUGH OR TOO MUCH, I W WE MAY NOT GET EXACTLY, BUT WE WANT TO TRY TO DO OUR BEST TO HONE IN ON WHAT THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS THAT WE SHOULD BE PLANNING FOR AS, AS WE, AS WE LOOK AT THIS, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE CAN SQUEEZE AN OFFICE WITHIN THE EXISTING, UM, FACILITY.
THERE MAY BE THAT WE MAY HAVE TO EXPAND IN, IN ONE OF THE FACILITY AND THAT COULD BE GOING OUT OR GOING UP.
UM, AND TH AND THEN THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE FACILITY CONDITION ASSESSMENT, UM, WE CAN ALSO IDENTIFY AND GIVE YOU A PEACE OF MIND.
DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO PUT THOSE DOLLARS, MAKE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS TO THAT FACILITY? SO YOU SEE THAT THE PROGRAMS IDENTIFIED WORKING THROUGH THE VARYING VARYING GROUPS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SPACES WORK WELL NEXT TO EACH OTHER.
AND HERE YOU CAN SEE WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT COLORED BLOCKS OF DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT WERE, THAT WERE PLANNING THERE.
AND THEN FROM THAT, JUST LIKE WE WOULD WITH, WITH YOU IS, IS WE WOULD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE DO WE SQUEEZE THOSE PEOPLE IN, OR WHERE DO WE ADD ON TO THE, TO THE BUILDING OR THE THIRD POTENTIAL OPTION? IS, WOULD YOU NEED A NEW FACILITY? UM, SO WE WILL CREATE FLOOR PLANS.
AND THEN WE LOOK AT SITE PLAN AND OPTIONS OF WHERE THOSE ADDITIONS WOULD POTENTIALLY HAN, YOU KNOW, BE HANDLED OR BE ACCOMMODATED ON THE, ON THE, ON THE SITE.
IS THERE ANY, YOU KNOW, BIG, EXISTING TREES WE WANT TO AVOID, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO NEED TO INCREASE ANY PARKING? SO ULTIMATELY WHAT, WHAT WE CAN DO IS PROVIDE A COST ESTIMATE AT THE END OF ALL THIS, THIS PROCESS THAT BEGINS TO HELP EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM, UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO HAVE THESE IDEAS COME TO FRUITION.
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AND THAT'S BASED BACK ON THOSE ORIGINAL SURVEYS THAT YOU TOOK WITH THE STAFF, IS THAT CORRECT WALKING AND ALL THAT STUFF COMES FROM SURVEYS.WELL, IT COMES FROM THE PROGRAM.
NOW WE HA WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THAT LEVEL OF, OF DETAIL BECAUSE WHAT WE REALLY WANTED TO GET BUY-IN FROM, FROM, FROM COUNCIL, THE, THE EXECUTIVE GROUP IS, UM, ARE, ARE THERE, ARE THERE THINGS THAT WE MAYBE WERE MISSING THAT, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE US IDENTIFY? UM, DO WE FEEL BETWEEN MUNICIPAL COURT AND THE COUNCIL CHAMBER THAT THIS SPACE IS, IS, IS ADEQUATE AGAIN, I TOUCHED UPON THAT EARLIER.
UM, I'VE, I'VE HEARD THAT WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT THE NEED TO, TO EXPAND THIS BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE INFLUX THAT WE HAVE FROM, FROM COURT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL SENDING A DIFFERENT ERA OF COVID AS WELL.
SO IT'S REALLY, WE WANTED TO GET BUY-IN FROM EVERYBODY OF IS, IS THERE MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ADD TO THE PROGRAM, ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE NEED TO PLAN AS WE PLAN FOR THE, FOR THE FUTURE, UM, BEFORE WE GET DOWN TOO FAR DOWN THE ROAD, AND WHAT, WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS, IS PRESENT TO YOU.
OUR, OUR FINDINGS ARE OUR PROPOSAL, AND EVERYBODY'S LIKE, NO, NO, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT I HAD ENVISIONED COUNSEL.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS BEEN THROUGH THIS TYPE OF EXERCISE BEFORE I'VE BEEN THROUGH IT.
SEVERAL TIMES, ONCE WHEN ENGINEERING WAS MOVING OVER TO THE TRAVIS BUILDING, I'VE ALSO HELPED FACILITIES, UM, AND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION FOR NEW BUILDINGS, HELPING OTHER DEPARTMENTS WORK THROUGH IT, REALLY WHAT THIS IS GOING TO COME DOWN TO IS, DO WE AGREE WITH THIS PERSONNEL ASSESSMENT, THAT'S GOING TO REALLY DRIVE THE SPACE.
AND, YOU KNOW, DO WE, DO WE ACTUALLY SEE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT GOING FROM 32 TO 49 PEOPLE? PROBABLY A LITTLE EXCESSIVE, YOU KNOW, DO WE SEE OUR, YOU KNOW, DO WE SEE A COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR NEEDED FOR THE CITY? YOU KNOW, DO WE SEE THREE ADDITIONAL CLERKS NEEDED FOR THE CITY? OR DO WE SEE TWO WHEN THEY KIND OF SHARE RESPONSIBILITIES? UM, THAT'S THE QUESTIONS WE NEED TO ANSWER FOR OUR VISION OF THE CITY.
THAT'LL GIVE THEM THE DIRECTION THEY NEED TO, UM, WORK FORWARD ON THE REST OF THE ASSESSMENT.
THEY'RE WAITING ON ANSWERS FROM US AT THIS POINT, CORRECT? NO.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW COUNCIL WANTS TO DO THIS.
DO WE WANT TO GO, YOU KNOW, POSITION BY POSITION? DO WE WANT TO GO GROUP BY GROUP? HOW DETAILED DO WE WANT TO GET? I THINK THIS IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT WITH OUT DOING THIS DURING BUDGET SEASON, OR AT LEAST SOME POINT, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT POSITIONS WE'RE ADDING IMMEDIATELY NEXT BUDGET SEASON.
I GUESS WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO COST, RIGHT? WHAT'S THE COST TO US PER POSITION OR SOME RANGE THAT WE CAN USE TO DETERMINE, YOU KNOW, IS THIS A NEED? AND IF IT IS, WHAT'S IT GOING TO COST, I WOULD NOT DO IT THAT WAY.
AND I'D RECOMMEND NOT DOING IT THAT WAY.
KURT, I HAVE, I AGREE WITH RICK ON THIS ONE.
THIS IS NOT TO JUSTIFY THIS, JUST TO SEE THE OVERALL NEED.
AND IF W IF WE AGREE IT'S A NEED, THEN WE GET INTO, CAN WE PAY FOR IT? CAUSE SOMETIMES THE ANSWER'S NO, AND SOMETIMES THE ANSWER IS NOT NOW.
AND SO WHAT THEY DID, WHAT THEY DID ON THE NEW JUSTICE CENTER IS THEY DETERMINED AS THE COUNTY BUILDS OUT, HOW MANY COURTROOMS ARE WE GOING TO NEED? THEY BUILT THE SHELL OF THE BUILDING FOR THAT.
THERE WERE ENTIRE FLOORS THAT WERE NOT FINISHED OUT WITH THE INITIAL CONSTRUCTION.
AND AS NEW COURTS GET ADDED, THEY BUILD OUT THOSE SPACES.
SO YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY LOOK AT WE'RE NOT GROWING POPULATION, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PLAN FOR THAT.
HOWEVER, THERE ARE OTHER FUNCTIONS.
DO WE WANT, LIKE OUR PARKS WE'VE ADDED TO OUR PARKS? DOES THAT MEAN WE NEED ANOTHER PERSON? DOES IT, YOU KNOW, AS, AS WE GET MORE PROGRAMMING GOING TO DRAW PEOPLE TO OUR CITY, DOES THAT REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE? OR COULD YOU SUB THAT OUT TO A PARTY PLANNER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? THOSE ARE OTHER OPTIONS YOU CAN DO.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT WITH COLLEEN, SHE DOES A LOT OF THAT PROGRAMMING HERSELF.
IF, WHEN, IF, AND WHEN SHE LEAVES AND WE HIRE SOMEBODY NEW, WE EITHER NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT PERSON HAS THE SAME ENERGY AND VISION, OR WE MIGHT HAVE TO DIVVY UP SOME, YOU KNOW, GET PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT SKILL SETS.
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WE NEED TO FORM THE BASIC FRAMEWORK FOR THIS.AND WE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE I'D SAY WE NEED SEVEN OFFICES, WE'RE GOING TO GUESSTIMATE ON WHAT THOSE PEOPLE WILL BE.
BUT AS THEY, AS TIME GOES ON, THAT MAY SHIFT AND CHANGE.
IT CERTAINLY HAS HERE IN THE PAST SEVEN, EIGHT YEARS.
RIGHT? SO IT SOUNDS LIKE A DISCUSSION THAT'S GOING TO TAKE QUITE SOME TIME TO DETERMINE POSSIBLY.
AND IF, IF IT GOES BEYOND TODAY THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR.
CHARLIE DOES A LOT OF THAT WORK FOR US.
NOW, WE ALSO HAVE TOM ERICKSON AND, UM, MERIT, JOSH, JOSH MAYER.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE SUBBING OUT THE CREATION OF OUR, OUR, OUR SOCIAL MEDIA.
OR YOU COULD HIRE A COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR THAT DID THAT FOR YOU OR OVERSIGHT RATHER THAN THE MAYOR DOING IT.
WHAT IS OUR VISION FOR THE CITY AND WHERE YOU HAVE TO COME IN AND SAY, AND WHERE ARE WE GOING TO PUT THEM? AND THEN YOU GO TO, HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST? IS THAT RIGHT, RICK? THAT'S THE WAY I'VE DONE IT.
I'M SURE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN, HE SAID, HE'S DO IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS.
AND I, I MEAN, THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS TO THINK ABOUT HERE.
NOT ONLY WHAT, WHAT RICK HAD MENTIONED ABOUT PD FOR INSTANCE IS, DO WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, THIS HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICITY THAN, THAN, THAN A SPITBALL, BUT, BUT DO WE FEEL WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER HISTORY? YOU KNOW, THE LAST 15 YEARS, 10 YEARS, LIKE, LIKE RICK SAID, WOULD PD GROW THAT MUCH? OKAY.
NOT, NOT, NOT TO PICK ON THEM, BUT THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE, ARE REQUESTING A LARGE AMOUNT OF SPACE.
IS THERE, IS THERE SOMEBODY ELSE WITHIN CITY HALL OR ANOTHER, ANOTHER GROUP THAT WE FEEL THAT IS, THAT IS GROWING AND EXPANDING, OR I, OR I CAN SHED SOME LIGHT AND I'M NOT GOING TO MENTION ANY NAMES.
THERE'S A, WAS A CITY NEAR NEARBY HERE SOME, SOME YEARS AGO, THIS WAS PROBABLY 12, 12 YEARS AGO.
WE WERE WORKING ON AN EXPANSION OF CITY HALL.
WELL, THEN THIS, THIS WHOLE THING, UM, CAME UP WITH IT WITH AN OPPORTUNITY OF A, OF A GOLF COURSE.
AND THEN IT WAS LIKE, WHY DON'T WE BUILD A COMMUNITY CENTER AND A CLUBHOUSE AND ALL, ALL THAT OVER THERE.
SO IT'S REALLY, IT'S GETTING BUY-IN FROM EVERYBODY HERE IS, IS MAYBE WE, THE ARCHITECT AND THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE ARE LOOKING IN THE WRONG SPOTS.
SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE SHOULD THE, THE GROWTH AND WHERE SHOULD THE EXPANSION HAPPEN WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE SQUARE MILE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, WELL, LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT PARKS AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GO FROM, NO, I THINK IT CUT OFF HERE, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE AQUATIC STAFF, THE LIFEGUARDS ARE GOING FROM 29 TO 36, NO CHANGE IN THE LIFEGUARDS TO ADDITIONAL CAMP COUNSELORS, UH, RECREATE A COUPLE OF RECREATIONAL ATTENDANCE, LANDSCAPE CREWS, STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO THE LANDSCAPE IS, DO WE WANT, DO WE SEE WANTING TO DO LANDSCAPING IN HOUSE? OR DO WE WANT TO TELL, CONTINUE TO TELL OUR PARKS DIRECTORS JUST HIRE THAT DONE? AND THAT'S A DECISION WE WERE GOING TO MAKE AS A COUNCIL THAT MAY A FUTURE COUNCIL MAY CHANGE KEEPING IN MIND THAT THIS CITY HAS MANAGED TO DO MIRACLES WITH NEXT TO NOTHING, BECAUSE WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO DO IT AS WELL AS YOU DROVE IN.
YOU PROBABLY DROVE RIGHT BY THE FRONT OF THE SCHOOL AND SAW THE LITTLE GARDENS OUT THERE THAT ARE NOW REALLY BEAUTIFUL BECAUSE COLEEN AND LEE AND DANNY AND SOMEBODY FROM PUBLIC WORKS, WENT OUT THERE AND MOVED BOULDERS AND PLANTED PLANTS AND MOATS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND IT LOOKS GORGEOUS AND IT'S GOING TO BE REAL AND IMPROVEMENT WOULD A CONTRACT PERSON HAVE GIVEN US THAT? I DON'T KNOW.
I THINK WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT A LOT OF TIMES IN SOME SORT OF A MIXED ARENA WHERE YOU HAVE THEM DOING THE HEAVY LIFTING ON MOST STUFF, BUT ON SPECIALTY SHE'S PICKING UP THAT ARE PARTS IS.
AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES, WHERE DOES THE LANDSCAPE CREW NEED SPACE?
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YOU KNOW, IS THAT INSIDE CITY HALL? IS IT A SLIGHT EXPANSION TO THE DISCOVERY CENTER? DO WE DECIDE THAT WE WANT TO BUY ANOTHER HOUSE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY JUST TO HOUSE, JUST TO HOUSE ALL THE EQUIPMENT.THEY KNOW THEY CAN PUT THE EQUIPMENT IN THE GARAGE AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I'M FAIRLY CHEAP THING TO DO COMPARATIVELY TO BUILDING A BUILDING.
HOWEVER, YOU TAKE ANOTHER HOUSE OFF THE TAX ROLLS, ALL OF THAT COMES INTO PLAY.
AND NOW I'M GOING TO HAVE DEFER TO KURT STATEMENTS SAYS, WHICH SAID, THIS COULD END UP TAKING A LOT OF TIME.
SO, AND I, RICK, I'D RATHER SIT DOWN IN A, BOUNCE IT OFF THE WALL SESSION, THEN FOUND A PUSH FOR THE NEXT 20 MINUTES.
JUST UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK ON A SATURDAY SESSION TO GO THROUGH THIS, AND MAYBE WE BRING IN OUR DITMAR PARK DEPARTMENT HEADS TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY WANT THESE THINGS.
ONCE AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO DEFER PROGRESS ON THIS AND I'M, AND I'M FINE WITH THAT.
IT'S JUST EVERY TIME THAT WE DON'T, LET'S NOT GET INTO PARALYSIS BY ANALYSIS, LET'S FIND A WAY TO COME UP WITH A DECISION SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
THAT AT LEAST GETS US A NUMBER THAT WE CAN LOOK AT PRIOR TO GOING INTO THE BUDGET SESSION.
NOW, I DON'T THINK A LOT OF THIS IS GOING TO SHOW UP IN, IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, EXCEPT POSSIBLY SOME MAINTENANCE ITEMS ON THE EXISTING FACILITIES.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BITE OFF ON BUILDING A NEW BUILDING NEXT YEAR.
HOWEVER, WE NEED TO START THINKING ABOUT WHAT BUILDING IS ARE NEEDED IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.
YOU CAN HAVE THE MEETING ON A SATURDAY.
BUT YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH YOU.
YOU'VE GOT TO GET THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHY THEY WANT THIS STUFF AND, AND GO FROM THERE.
UH, I THINK SOME OF IT'S SUCCESSIVE, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR EVERYTHING TO GET A LITTLE BIT SOMETIMES.
SO, UM, CHRIS, WHEN DID YOU INTERVIEW STAFF? WHEN WAS THAT? OKAY.
WAS IT EARLY MARCH OR WE EVEN STARTED, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
YEAH, WE GOT, WE GOT SOME NEW PEOPLE HERE AND OF COURSE MY ENCOURAGEMENT FOR COUNCIL WOULD BE THE LANDSCAPE'S CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.
AND SO WE NEED TO ASK STAFF IF THEY FEEL THE SAME WAY THEY DID AN APRIL ABSOLUTELY ABOUT FUTURE NEEDS.
AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO PURSUE IT, BE A GOOD IDEA FOR STAFF TO GET IN THE SAME ROOM TOGETHER AND TALK WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S CHANGED.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE PROBABLY SPENT SIX MONTHS FIGURING OUT WHAT THE FACILITY OR WHAT THE SPACE NEEDS WAS FOR THE TRANSPORTATION FACILITY, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS MULTIPLE MEETINGS OVER MULTIPLE DAYS.
UM, HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH TIME DOES COUNCIL WANT TO PUT IN ON THIS? NOW IT'S GOOD TO PUT SOME TIME IN IT BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO BE AN INEXPENSIVE PROPOSITION.
UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO GET INTO SOMETHING WHERE WE JUST WERE TOO AFRAID TO MAKE A DECISION.
LET'S GET THE INFORMATION WE NEED AND, YOU KNOW, TRY TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO MOVE FORWARD OR DO WE MOVE FORWARD? THAT'S THE OTHER HAND? SO THAT, I MEAN, THAT DECISION HAS GOT TO BE MADE FIRST OF ALL, IN MY PLANNER, BECAUSE WE'VE STALLED AND IT'S JUST DEAD THAT THE LANDSCAPE HAS CHANGED, AS YOU SAID.
AND I THINK SO OUR NEEDS CITY IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
AT ONE TIME, IT NEEDED TO BE DEALT WITH IMMEDIATELY, AND NOW IT'S NOT AN IMMEDIATE NEED.
SO, BUT I, THAT'S WHY I THINK WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND VISIT WITH IT.
UM, I ALSO AGREE RICKY CAN PUSH THIS THING DOWN AND KEEP PUSHING AND KEEP PUSHING AND KEEP PUSHING HIM.
NEXT THING YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL GONE AND THE NEXT GROUP IS GONE.
I DON'T LIKE ANYTHING THEY DO.
SO PER YOUR COMMENTS, WHAT DO YOU THINK? IT'S TOUGH BECAUSE YES, I DO.
I LIKE WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S NEEDED, BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO PLAN A WHOLE FACILITY BASED OFF OF A NUMBER THAT IS INFLATED BY 25% STAFF WISE.
YOU KNOW? SO I THINK WE DO NEED SOME LEVEL OF HONING IN BEFORE WE CAN.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT I WANT TO CUT AT LEAST 50% OF THESE REQUESTED
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POSITIONS.AND I THINK THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT, JUSTIFY IT.
AND THEN HOW DO YOU FRAME THAT IN SUCH A WAY THAT YOU DON'T DEMORALIZE STAFF? UM, AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST PART OF BEING THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AS HE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
UM, IT'S NOT OUR VISION FOR THE CITY TO ADD THESE MANY PEOPLE'S BECAUSE X, UM, AND SO I, I THINK A SATURDAY SESSION WOULD BE APPROPRIATE STAFF WITH, UM, DEPARTMENT HEADS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE WOULD WANT, HE WOULD DOLLARS THERE SO THEY COULD HEAR WHAT WAS GOING ON, OR WE PROVIDE THEM THE FEEDBACK BASED ON THE RESULTS.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A FULL SATURDAY MEETING BUILT INTO THEIR BUDGET.
UM, BUT I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL PART OF THE DISCUSSION.
AND THEN, AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, HOW MUCH DO YOU ADVERTISE IT TO THE PUBLIC? TRY TO DRAW THE PUBLIC IN AND GET THEIR INPUT AS TO WHAT THE LONG-TERM VISION FOR THE CITY IS.
YOU DO THIS KIND OF STUFF FROM TIME TO TIME.
I REMEMBER SITTING THROUGH THE BUDGET MEETINGS AND I KNOW THE BIGGER GOAL WAS TO LOOK OUT FIVE, 10, 15 YEARS.
SO I DEFINITELY THINK WE NEED TO STAY ON THAT PATH.
UM, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO INTERVIEW, UM, DEPARTMENT HEADS AND TALKING ABOUT WAYS TO MAYBE REPURPOSE DIFFERENT AREAS.
MAYBE THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN REPURPOSE SOME OF OUR, UM, SOME OF THE FACILITIES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.
SO, UM, I WAS NOT PART OF SOME OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS.
SO FOR ME, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS, YELLING, THROW IN, WALK YOUR JOBS, LEAVING JOHN, YOU WERE HERE DURING THE DISCUSSIONS, TURN ON YOUR MIC ON HOW IT WORKS.
FINALLY, I GET A WORKING MIC AFTER ALL THESE YEARS.
I GUESS WHEN YOU HEAR ME NOW AND YOU, YOU CAN MOVE IT RIGHT NEXT TO YOU TOO, RIGHT UP THERE.
NO, I, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING EVERYBODY'S SAYING IT, BUT YOU HAVE TO TALK TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE REQUESTING THIS, THE, OUR DEPARTMENT HEADS, THEY'RE SMART PEOPLE.
WE HIRED THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE SMART AND THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB.
SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF LOOK AND FOLLOW THEIR LEAD.
BUT I AGREE THERE'S A LOT OF EXCESSIVENESS IN THE STAFFING BECAUSE OUR CITY IS NOT GOING TO GET THAT MUCH BIGGER.
YOU KNOW, UH, AS FAR AS TAKING CARE OF THE CITY MAINTENANCE, THINGS LIKE THAT, PARKS.
I CAN SEE US GETTING MORE PARK STUFF GOING ON BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE THAT.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS FACILITIES, PUBLIC WORKS, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT NEED SOME MORE PEOPLE.
EQUIPMENT'S GETTING OLDER, THEY NEED TO DO SOME MAINTENANCE.
WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE WASTEWATER PLANT FOR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, COULDN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY NUMBERS OF YEARS THERE WERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, RAILROAD WHEELS DON'T LOSE THEIR FLINCHES OVERNIGHT AND PUT IT THAT WAY.
AND THOSE ARE RAILROAD WHEELS THAT SPLIT ON TOP OF THE, UH, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? YEAH, TRAVELING, BRIDGE THAT THING.
BUT, UH, I THINK WE DO NEED SOME, UH, SOME WORK IN THE MAINTENANCE SIDE OF THE CITY, BECAUSE IT'S JUST BEEN A SKELETON CREW DOING REALLY GOOD WORK, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S THAT EXISTS IN MOST, EVERY AREA THAT WE GOT, WE GOT A LOT OF REALLY GOOD PEOPLE DOING REALLY GOOD WORK, CROSS TRADING, YOU KNOW, COVERING, COVERING THE PATHS AND MAKING EVERYTHING GO.
SO, UH, LET'S GET WITH THOSE FOLKS AND FIND OUT THEIR NEEDS AND WORK, WORK AT IT THAT WAY.
AND THAT'S JUST MY WAY OF DOING IT IF I WAS GOING TO BE HERE.
SO I'D FIGURE ON AT LEAST THREE QUARTERS, MORE LIKE A FULL DAY, IF YEAH.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO DEEP DIG AS DEEP AS I THINK WE'RE GOING TO START GETTING INTO, BASED ON THE COMMENTS I HEARD, UH, I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE STEVE ATTEND PUBLIC COMMENTS ALWAYS WELCOME.
SO YES, I DID TURN THEM OFF MY COUGH.
SO WITH THAT, UM, LET US, UH, PUT THAT TO, UH, COURTNEY, TO TRY TO PUT TOGETHER A MEETING.
I PREFER NOT NOTHING PERSONAL.
I'D PREFER YOU WERE NOT THERE.
SO WE WOULDN'T FEEL RUSHED TO GET YOU IN OR OUT.
AND PLUS I THINK STAFF AND MY, AND MAYBE SOME OF COUNCIL WOULD FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE FREE TO SPEAK.
AND THEN WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO IS COME OUT WITH SOMETHING THAT WE CAN HAND TO YOU
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AT.ZOLLER SAYING WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT IN HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THIS AND PLUG THAT IN.
IS THAT FAIR STATEMENT, RICK? RIGHT.
I THINK WE GET DOWN TO WHAT THE TRUE NUMBERS ARE FOR OUR VISION OF THE CITY THAT WILL HELP THEM THEN PLAN SOME SPACING REQUIREMENTS.
I THINK WE ALSO SHOULD TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS ADDITIONAL SPACE, WHAT ARE WE THINKING NOW? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT A SEPARATE BUILDING OUT BACK WHO GOES IN THAT, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING FOR THE PD? THAT'S A LITTLE BIT SEPARATE BECAUSE I JUST DON'T SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO RECONFIGURE THEIR SPACE TO GIVE THEM THE ROOM THEY NEED.
AND SO IF WE MOVE PD TO THE SEPARATE BUILDING, WHAT ADMIN STAFF CAN SHIFT OVER HERE AND NOT FEEL LIKE THEY'RE DISCONNECTED FROM THE REST OF THEIR GROUP.
AND THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BALANCE IS, YOU KNOW, THESE GUYS WILL TALK ABOUT PROXIMITY AND WHICH GROUPS COEXIST WITH OTHERS AND INTERACT WITH OTHERS FREQUENTLY.
UM, AND THAT'S, MY VISION IS IF WE DO EXISTING OR EXPAND SPACE, IT'S NOT TRYING TO SCAB IT ONTO THIS BUILDING.
IT'S ADDING SOME KIND OF FACILITY OUT BACK WITH SOME KIND OF BREEZEWAY CONNECTION.
EVERYBODY ELSE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BRING THEIR VISION.
UM, CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT BUILDING OUT THE FRONT FOR THE PD.
I JUST DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM THERE TO MAKE THAT WORK.
BENZOATE NO, AND YOU'D HAVE TO LOSE A TREE.
UH, COURTNEY, WILL YOU TRY TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER FOR THAT? AND LET'S SEE WHEN YOU CAN GET US ALL TOGETHER.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHRIS AT THIS POINT, CHRIS, YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR US.
THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR LISTENING.
AND IT REALLY IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S VITAL THAT WE GET YOUR ALL'S INPUT ALLOWS US TO PROVIDE THE GUIDANCE AND OUR CONSULTING SERVICES TO YOU.
BUT GETTING REALLY GETTING THE PROGRAM NAILED DOWN IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
AND WE CAN LOOK AT OPTIONS WHAT'S MOST VIABLE, WHETHER IT'S LOOKING AT OFF THE FRONT, OFF THE BACK STANDALONE BUILDING AD-ON UP DOWN.
I MEAN, ALL THAT CAN BE WORKED OUT LATER.
ONCE THE SQUARE FOOTAGE NUMBERS OF THE PROGRAM WERE IDENTIFIED.
ALL RIGHT, WELL THAT, WE'RE GOING TO CALL UP ITEM C DISCUSSION WITH A HUGE SALARY TO A END AND MOVE ON TO ITEM D COUNCIL.
WE HAVE ABOUT SEVEN MINUTES TO DISCUSS THIS.
UM, AND THIS IS DISCUSSING REGARDING FACING THE PUBLIC DURING A TIME OF CRISIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS ENOUGH TIME TO EVEN DISCUSS THAT.
UM, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PANDEMIC? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE FREEZE IN PARTICULAR.
NOW WE HAVE HAD, SO HAD TO, UH, UH, DEAL WITH THE COMMUNICATION OF THE PANDEMIC.
UH, WE'VE BEEN GUIDED BY THE MOST ABOUT THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND THEN THE COUNTY AND WE'VE DONE OUR STUFF OR OUR THING HERSELF.
UH, BUT IN PARTICULAR, THE FREEZE WHERE PEOPLE WERE QUESTIONING WHAT WAS GOING ON, HOW DO WE REACH HIM? HOW DO WE REACH THEM WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE POWER? YEAH.
WE, WE HAD A EMERGENCY PLAN AT ONE POINT.
DO WE KNOW WHERE THEY HAVE AN EMERGENCY PLAN? AND DO WE KNOW, YOU KNOW, CAUSE WE WERE W W AFTER IKE WE PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE THESE POSTER BOARDS IN THE POCKET PARKS AND WHO WAS GOING TO PUT THE INFORMATION OUT ON THERE.
I THINK WE DUST THAT OFF AND SEE HOW TO UPDATE IT.
AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, RICK.
AND OF COURSE THIS WAS LIKE, EVERYBODY ELSE, THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO FREEZE ONE DAY AND IT'S FROZE FIVE.
UM, AND SO WE DIDN'T GET OUR BOARDS EVER.
AND WHAT, I MEAN, WE DID THINGS THAT SOME OTHERS DIDN'T LIKE, LIKE ICE, I MEAN, UH, SAYING THE DURHAM BRIDGES, NOT EVERYBODY DID, WE DID.
UH, SO WE DID SOME GOOD THINGS.
WE HAD OUR PD OUT WALKING AND ALL THAT STUFF.
SO, UM, I THINK WE CAN SIT DOWN WITH THE CHIEF, NICK, YOU AND I, AND CHIEF CAN SIT DOWN AND, AND ASK HIM TO DUST THAT OFF.
AND WE CAN VISIT WITH HIM ON THAT AND BRING IT OUT.
UH, AT ONE TIME LONG AGO WE HAD, I WON'T CALL THEM BLOCK CAPTAINS, BUT SECTOR CAPTAINS.
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WE WOULD GET THE INFORMATION OUT TO THEM.THEY WOULD DISTRIBUTE IT TO THEIR ONE OR TWO BLOCKS.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THE CERT PROGRAM, WE'VE GOT SCOUTS, WE'VE GOT A FEW DIFFERENT GROUPS.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S PART OF IT IS, HEY, IF WE'RE GOING TO BE WITHOUT POWER FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS AND WE CAN GET FLYERS MADE AND WHATEVER, HOW ARE WE GOING TO COVER THE CITY TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON? AND WHEN DO WE DO IT? AND WHEN DO WE DO IT, WE'LL SEE AS COULD READ ON THAT.
YOU USE CODE RED FOR THAT TOO.
THAT IS ALL PART OF IT, BUT THAT ASSUMES THE CELL PHONE TOWERS HAVE POWER AND ARE WORKING ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF.
SO LET US, UH, I THINK I'M JUST GOING TO STOP IT RIGHT THERE AND SAY, LET'S GET WITH THE CHIEF ABOUT DUSTIN OFF THE EOC.
UM, LISTEN, LET'S REVIEW THAT WITH HIM BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER.
UH, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR THROW IN RIGHT NOW ON ITEM D? ALL RIGHT.
SINCE THERE SEEMS TO BE NOTHING ELSE TO DISCUSS, WE ARE ADJOURNED.